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Re: Music Industry to End Mass Lawsuits Against File-Sharers
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 05:11:06 AM »
The calculation of money lost to piracy is a big farce. I am absolutely sure that over 90% of pirated music/movies/TV/software would not have been bought anyway. They are being pirated because it is easy.

The vast majority of computer games are total garbage, even if they are a huge production. People download them, play for two days and un-install forever. Call it a demo or trial if you like. For a small number of top products, people might have actually bought them instead. If they could not be pirated, people would simply have less games or no games at all - they would not buy them except the odd one. Online games make their money from subscription and do not face this problem.

TV episodes is even a greater farce. Most people don't pay per view - they pay per channel whether they get to watch it or not. If an episode was aired while they could not watch it, then they paid for a product that they did not get. If then they go and download it from the web or tivo it, it makes no difference. The other people who download episodes are those who have no access to that channel. Either because it is un-available in their region or that they are not willing to pay for it. In both cases it is not money that it lost to the industry. You may call the latter case stealing, but the simple truth is that if it was not easy to download that show, they would simply not watch it - it is not very likely that this is what will make them pay for cable company to get the channel.

My case is even stranger. I am currently in a country that dubs all TV shows. The place I'm staying in has TV. It already paid for the episodes, but it is not a great fun for me to watch. If I down load the episodes that were aired this week, but in english instead of the dubbed version. Did I pirate it? I mean, it was already payed for with a different sound track. If I can't download it in english, it means that the show is being payed for, but not being watched - should someone sue for their money back?

 

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Re: Music Industry to End Mass Lawsuits Against File-Sharers
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2008, 06:02:51 AM »
What?? Are single mothers, dead people and 13 yo girls above the law? I think not, string em up on the oak tree and clear some bandwidth so i can finnish d/l this great album.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2008, 06:40:56 AM »
This is not what it looks like.

The move from suing individual filesharers is just a public front to something much much worse.. The industry lobbyers have advanced legislation up to the point where they can extend their grip into internet service providers. This means that RIAA can now scan your internet usage and issue a shutdown through your ISP, judging from the news about them shifting into operating directly with ISPs.
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Re: Music Industry to End Mass Lawsuits Against File-Sharers
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2008, 08:22:51 AM »
Sounds like instead of getting ridiculous lawsuits there will be ISP's closing out people from the internet without a court order, simply based on a tip given by some copyright organisation. Doesn't sound to me like they will be getting any more justice this way. You can't just ban people from using internet nowadays, it's just not possible. Even prisoners over here have been given the right to access internet on regular basis. But who do you complain to, when you're blocked from using all the ISP's in your area, which might be just one, and you haven't been officially convicted of anything?

I don't think piracy itself is a right to block person from using internet, especially without being convicted of something. Even a convicted person should have the right to access internet, unless he's one of the worst (or best) hackers in the world and just can't restrain himself from hacking into places.


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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2008, 09:44:31 AM »
Always seemed to me that most of the theft in the music industry was being perpetrated by the record companies ripping off the songwriters and musicians.  The songwriters and musicians get very little from record sales.  The "artists" make most of their money from concerts.  That is what really pisses off the record companies, downloading music free takes from them, but not much from the "artists".
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Re: Music Industry to End Mass Lawsuits Against File-Sharers
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2008, 09:46:58 AM »
Famously, Robbie Williams released his new album and and statement to fans 'Not to waste money on it, get it online next week'
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Re: Music Industry to End Mass Lawsuits Against File-Sharers
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2008, 04:33:09 PM »
Famously, Robbie Williams released his new album and and statement to fans 'Not to waste money on it, get it online next week'

Who was it that sold their latest for what ever you wanted to pay for it.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2008, 05:21:39 PM »
Who was it that sold their latest for what ever you wanted to pay for it.

Wasn't that Coldplay?
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2008, 07:50:31 PM »
This is not what it looks like.

The move from suing individual filesharers is just a public front to something much much worse.. The industry lobbyers have advanced legislation up to the point where they can extend their grip into internet service providers. This means that RIAA can now scan your internet usage and issue a shutdown through your ISP, judging from the news about them shifting into operating directly with ISPs.


Not so, NZ has implemented a law like this already. Essentially the RIAA monitor public trackers, and issue infringement notices to ISPs. The law here is a bit vague but the general gist is 3 strikes and you're disconnected. Of course there's plenty of other ISPs to move too for infringers, but it's a pain in the backside.

They cannot scan your internet usage to establish proof of illegal file sharing, that's just an urban myth put out by piracy circles.

I think it's a good thing, it won't stop piracy, but it will make it less attractive, and force it back into the shadows where it belongs out of mainstream use.

Oh and ack-ack, it's not stealing, technically it is copyright infringement. The stuff that goes out the back of the factories that physically produce your titles - you know the biggest segment of piracy - that's stealing.

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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2008, 09:13:22 PM »
Who was it that sold their latest for what ever you wanted to pay for it.

That was Radiohead's In Rainbows album.  They gave it away (or let you pay whatever you wanted for it) and when they released the hard copy it STILL went to number one.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/01/09/on-the-charts-radioheads-in-rainbows-takes-number-one-three-months-after-debuting-via-the-web/

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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2008, 11:34:58 AM »
About time.  The greedy rich people will finally get shut up, and the poor people like me will be allowed to leech all the music my little heart desires.
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2008, 12:50:58 PM »
I don't blame them for stopping the lawsuits but in mho stealing is stealing. I don't buy much musing these days but when I do it's hard copy or it's from a vendor on the net.

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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2008, 04:21:39 PM »
That was Radiohead's In Rainbows album.  They gave it away (or let you pay whatever you wanted for it) and when they released the hard copy it STILL went to number one.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/01/09/on-the-charts-radioheads-in-rainbows-takes-number-one-three-months-after-debuting-via-the-web/
Yeah, thats the one
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