when are they going to get rid of perk?

[Westy MOL]

[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

[TRiMmer]

LOL Westy....no doubt.

trm

[straffo]

Originally posted by llll111lll22222:
u seem to be missing the point at least some people the perk system as is does little more than keep u from flying certain planes,  honestly how often do u see a perk plane in the ma?  the perk system might be a good idea but it doesnt work well in its present state.  its just singles out some planes for no good reason.  f4u1c is perked all planes should be perked,  and if u fly planes with cannon and say this isnt a good idea ur probably just whining cuz u dont want ur 1 ping ride taken away.  most of the planes i see in the ma are cannon planes, mostly 109s and n1ks(why doesnt HT just turn off the n1k untill its fixed?) and hardly ever have they ever shot me unless its a ho.  usually its like i out acm them for a few passes i usually fly a6m or sometimes a spit.  get a few pings with machine gun, cause them to lose a little alt, them they get tired of acm and just go for ho usually i avoid it and get on their six sometimes we both get shot down,  but its very lame.  If the perk system is suppoed to even the playing field then why doesnt it do that.  I think in a ww2 sim any planes with jets should be perked but other than that i dont see the point.  Ive seen tempest a few times, never been shot down by one, i shot one down once, in a spit, the tempest could turn pretty well and had a speed advantage but it still got shot down, and i dont see whats so bad about it that it cost 70 perks.  its a nice plane but it can still be shot down.  The perk system as it is isnt implemented very well.  Some planes have advatages over other, but disadvantages as well.  There is no plane in the current plane set(with the exceptception of the arado its a jet right? i havent flown it)  that has a big advantage over any other plane, even the n1k can be shot down.  It mostly depends on driver and flying the good points of ur plane against the bad points of the other.  But the perk system as is doesnt accomplist much.  BTW 3 or 4 planes behind u spraying can kill u whether they are f4u1c or spits or p51s,  so thats just a whine cuz u got gangbanged

I just want to share my feeling with you (about your message)

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Muahahah  

great troll btw  

[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: straffo ]

[Am0n]

So your saying since you pay for the game that they should make it easy to play? that doesnt make much since to me.. This is not a "kiddie" game it takes much time and patients to fly, in real life they wouldnt send a tin horn up in a Tempest to do there bidding, it would be flown buy a experienced vetern. (as it is in the game)

I pay for the game, i dont want it to be easy that is not fun at all. The fun is over comming the challenges that you face every flight.

BTW i fly the F4D almost exclusivly and i have to say that the F4C will not only out shoot the D but also out proforms it IMO.
If you think that the 6 x 50's is just as effective, then why complain you cant fly the other?

I agree that they are perked to make them as rare in the game as they were in real life in this time era, that only makes since.

[Steven]

Karnak,

That's what I hope for, more early-war aircraft and an emphasis on them in the CT.

If the SpitIX is a 1942 aircraft, then it must've been a monster!  If you mean the SpitV, then that seems more reasonable to me but I'm no WW2 historian.

Yes, the P51 gets ranked #3 in total useage but that's because it's a very famous plane.  I'd never heard of the LA7 or N1K before this game.  However, most dogfights are below 10,000 feet and if you count the number of planes used at that altitude, the P51's ranking would slip.  I've been flying around with icons set to plane-type recently for the specific purpose of making mental notes of what I'm seeing, and the P51 just doesn't strike me as being #3 on the list.  However, I don't fear the P51 when flying my F4U, P51B or F6F.  I don't think anyone gets all that nervous when encountering a P51, the only problem is that you might not be able to catch him if he chooses to disengage to the consternation of Spits and N1Ks (though if he's bled any speed at low level, he will not escape an LA7.)

If the F4F, P40 and other early-war aircraft are introduced, I'd certainly love to get to fly them more than on the occasional weekend during a Special Event.

[Karnak]

Steven,

The Spitfire MkIX we have is a kind of amalgorithm.

Here is a brief listing of Spitfires and entry dates:

Spitfire MkI: 1938
Spitfire MkIa: 1939
Spitfire MkII: 1940
Spitfire MkV: 1941
Spitfire F.MkIX: June, 1942 (Merlin 61 engine like the one in AH has)
Spitfire MkVIII: 1943 (Ultimate Merlin Spit)
Spitfire LF.MkIX: 1943 (Merlin 66 engine)
Spitfire HF.MkIX: 1943 (Merlin 70 engine)
Spitfire MkXII: 1943 (Griffon III or IV engine)
Spitfire F.MkXIV: January, 1944 (Griffon 65 engine)
Spitfire LF.MkXVI 1944 (Packard Merlin 266 engine)
Spitfire FR.MkXIVe: Late 1944
Spitfire F.21: Febuary, 1945

The AH Spitfire F.IX has a few options it shouldn't.  It can take .50 cals and rockets, neither of which were carried on F.IXs.  Only 300 or so Spitfire F.IXs were built before MkIX production shifted to LF.IXs, which mad up the bulk of the MkIX production total. The LF.IX would be a much more formidable opponent givien its faster low alt speed and much better initial climb.

You have to fly to your aircraft's strengths. If you do that, most fighters in AH will trounce a Spitfire MkIX. Remember, the Spitfire MkIX can only sustain a speed of 321mph at sea level.

The reason the Spitfire MkIX seems a monster is because the AH style environment is just about perfect for Spits and because people seem to want to turn fight, a game the Spit is very good at.

As far as the N1K2 goes, I think that HTC selected it so that the Japanese would start with a competive fighter that was not modeled by every other sim. The N1K2-J was the best fighter used by the IJN during WWII, but was not used in huge numbers.

The La-7, like nearly all Russian aircraft, is almost unknown in the west.  Due to the lack of puplicity that Russian aircraft receive I do not think it is right to judge them by the qualification of how famous they are in the west.

Both the N1K2 and La-7 have revised flight models in 1.08.

[Steven]

Karnak,

Thanks for the write-up on the Spit.  It's very informative.

Your last sentence caught my attention though and I made no judgement on the LA7 based on how well known it is in the west.  I made a point that encompasses several things but one point in particular is that the new player who is not a historian will most likely be drawn to the P51 over an LA7 just because of the familiarity factor.  That's all I meant.  So if we get new players using their free two weeks to never see them again, they'll probably not have put in the time to discover the LA7.  No desparaging remarks against the type.  In fact, it's the plane I fear the most and will do my best to avoid combat with unless I have a greater than normal advantage.

I recently picked up Tillman's "Hellcat" and based on Appendix C., I wonder if the KI-84 might not have been a better choice to model over the N1K2.  They don't seem to have much of a difference though the KI-84 had much greater numbers.  The wing loading of the George and Frank isn't much lower than the Hellcat, though I can see they have a much greater power-to-weight ratio.  

Here's to F4Fs, A6M2s, P40s and other early-war aircraft!

[Karnak]

Steven,

True, if the player is American.

Americans and Brits will be drawn to things like the P-51, Spitfire, 109 and Zero.

However, there are many players from other countries that may find other things as a draw.

I know that Finns appriciate the color scheme on the Bf109G-2 and would find the Brewster F2A-1 Buffalo a great addition.

It is entirely possible that some of the Japanese subscribers did sign up due to the N1K2-J.

I also think that the Ki84 is a boderline perk plane. Probably in the range of 10-20 points.

[llll111lll22222]

u still are missing the point.  how many n1ks do u see flying around?  how many people HO and ram without even trying to acm?  how many people suicide bomb?  how is the perk system doing anything?  and when did i say make the game easy?  would u cut and paste where i said that?  if u think that adding the temp would make the game easy u just arent very good at the game.  ure probably the same people who whine when a n1k or spit kills u.  i killed a temp and i was in a slow seafire,  i didnt appear to be a unbalancing plane.  what do u have against the temp?  i fly the p38 and f4u too are u going to whine and say they should be perked because its possible to get a kill in them?  hmm i wonder how many of u people who call this a troll fly 190s or n1k, or any cannon plane, probably all of u who did do.  If u cant kill a temp or f4u1c or n1k or whatever thats ur fault not the planes.  The perk system as it doesnt do much to fix the luck of dying meaning anything so why even bother with it?  And if u think this is a stupid post then why not tell me why the perk system as it is is good, or is name calling all u can do?  maybe ur covering up because u cant understand my point

[-moto-]

Crap,
Now I need the f4c I've gone blind trying to read his posts  


Moto
Proud and deadly spit Dweeb  

[Spivey]

Originally posted by lll111LLL:
what paragraph theres only one paragraph, and why cant i fly any plane i want?  because some people when the game first came out used f4u1c alot i cant ever use a temp?  were u one of the people who kept using an f4u1c karnak?

You CAN fly any plane you want! OFFLINE! What you CANNOT do is fly the best plane all the time, because you would force EVERYONE to have to fly it just to survive. So Aces High gets reduced to a tempest arcade game, and everyone goes to WWIIonline, and HT Creations goes broke. Know it or not, that is what you are asking for. The answer is of course, no.

Spivey