I'd hate to say this, but most large squads don't "hide behind the horde" with eachother. If they like to do NOE's, it's not a 24 hr 366 day a year thing you know. I usually see about 10 missions a night, when it's most packed. Out of that, I usually see 5 or 6 work. The other 4 or 5 get busted.
In that other thread I pointed out that I was CO of the Mafia for a couple of years and that we ran missions from NOEs to multipronged attacks that dominated maps on squad nights. The bold comment above is what we are talking about. In our "hay-day" in a 3 hour squad night we might run ONE NOE. Today its become the mission of choice. The second point about the above comment is the poster is DEFENDING the hiding ing the horde and NOE's shows that he doesn't understand the idea some of us are trying to get across.
Look at it this way... Noe's are fun, easy, and "5 or 6 out of 10" work, but should you run them that often? When you play chess against a 5 year old nephew do you try to blow him out of the water, or do you play to have fun with your nephew? Humble/snaphook is a perfect example. He takes up A20s, SBDs and so on and takes them into furballs why? Because its more fun for all concerned. Using a weak plane makes it more of a challenge for him, and his opponents have more fun trying to shoot him down because they stand a chance seeing he is in a weak plane. If snap gets in a pony, and Bnz 98% people he comes up against will be grabbing a new plane in the tower mighty quick. To him thats not fun...just to easy killing all those baby seals.... and to those of us who path he crossed.... not fun finding our way to the tower every time. So he changes the way he plays the game to make it more fun.
I don't see where running from a fight is fun, or being the 3rd, 4th, or 5th guy in on a single target is fun, attacking an undefended base from an NOE with 30 other guys is fun. Can someone honestly say any of that is fun? This is a game and is suppose to be fun. This is not a war, and comparing it to real life is just stupid. None of this is "win or die" like real life. If you have to swap side to spy then you are not PLAYING the game, your cheating and going outside the rules. Whats the point of playing if you don't play fair?
Respect, honor, and fair play. I think is something that has been lacking for a long time. Mostly its because they just don't understand. Todays "gamers" are just that, gamers! Most are kids and are only here to WIN ! they come from games that most of the players spend as much time looking for cheat codes as they do playing the game. The "old timers/vets" are people who were drawn into this game and others like it because of the history, and those old kid dreams we had of flying and fighting in these planes. Us "vets" can explain how it was, or about honor and fair play untill we are blue in the face, but the "gamers" like the one I quoted above will never get it ( not picking on you 1plus44 ) they where brought up thinking a game is a game and thats the way they play it, win at all costs. Us old timers look at this as more of a fantasy land where we can relive those old dreams and fly along side "pappy" and Olds" and all the others we read about or saw on the movies.
If you don't go into a fight and whether you win or loose you don't come out with your heart pounding, or your hands shaking you'll never understand. Making your bomb run with your plane bouncing around in the flack and making it out only to be attacked by a few fighters, limping home with an engine out and two more smoking, and again, sitting on the runway with your hands shaking, you'll never understand. If I could GV as well as someone like DR7 ( nothing against DR7, I just think he's one of the best) I wouldn't spawn camp, nor would I sit at a base waiting for GVs to roll in. I'd sit out in the countryside on the route I knew they would take in (most follow a strait path from spawn to target
) and I shot a warning shot across the front of their tank from hiding. Then give them a minute to find me before I killed them How much fun would that be!
The fun of this game is the fight, which ever fight your into, fight! Honor is calling out that guy from the other side and saying"Great Fight !" whether you win or loose. Fair Play is making it fun for everyone. Ya I can take 30 guys and take base after base if I want to, but how much fun is that really? It's like that game with your nephew again.... ya you could, but SHOULD you? Respect, is given to those who make the game fun, not to those who have to bend the rules, or break them just to "win".
