Respect - Honor - Fair Play

[CAP1]

I've got to chime in here on something OT...

If the majority of the playerbase thinks the number of NOEs we have in the MA are excessive, that they are an unrealistic mission profile to use 90% of the time, that other styles lead to more fun and more historical matchups, I agree!

However, as with every other problem that is disliked by the majority, the playerbase seems unwilling to make any changes to do anything about it, such as making DAR extend all the way to the ground, etc.

KNOW WHAT my favorite thing about NOE raids are? i don't have to waste 15 minutes climbing out of the cartoon atmosphere to get to the fight. it;s right in the weeds, where it shoudl be. 

[NoBaddy]

Good thread. Since I was the one that Fred was talking about with the name calling, I will keep my comments to a minimum. All of my points have been more than adequately made by other players. 

Fred...

I will send you a private.

 

[Shane]

I see the repeated theme of, "if you see a 2 v 1, no need to make it 3-4-5-6 v 1 if it's not directly related to some base op in progress, ie, off to the side or away from a major-ish furball."  And, frankly, it's poor tactics.

This has been pretty much my most consistent gripe over the years, senseless gangbanging a fight in progress - trust me even "vets" do this thing, I can easily dig up posts from 2002-04 showing this.  I can understand newbies doing this since they don't really know better and are only wanting to kill something - I rarely go after this type of player, instead focusing my infamous smack at the "semi-vets and vets" who one would think would know better by now.  I aim for their egos.    When I hit my target, they may end up in the DA with me, learning how to fight without having to rely on #'s.

meh... it's an issue going back even further than AH's appearance on the scene, but the bottom line is by doing senseless gangbanging you're taking away the fun/learning experience of *all* those involved in the 1 v 1 or 2 v 1.  I mean jeez, if 2 guys get killed while on 1 guy... they should have learned something, but when the 3-4-5th guys jump in those 2 original badguys learn nothing, except that gangbanging is "ok." Of course that lone goodguy just had a fighting fun chance reduced to practically zero.

But, hey... it's their dime and they can play how they want, right? If they want to remain stuck on suck, who am I to argue?  That doesn't mean I still won't point it out with my usual brand of smack.  Most of the ch200 gabbering is when the offending player(s) try and defend their actions - more or less even gangbanging on ch200, lol.  Yet, it's always the original "victim of lameness" that gets come down on for pointing this behavior out, as opposed to being supported with "yeah, why did you guys have to gangbang that guy? That's not cool!"  What does this imply?  What are newbies taking away from this silent endorsement?  

You reap what you sow.

[A8TOOL]

Interesting subject but some darn long reads.

Respect:  treat others as you want to be treated. Criticize others in a helpful way if you feel the need to criticize. Understand that everyone does not play like you (ie. furball, land grabber, picker, overly cautious with pretend life )

Avoid repeated ho attempts, learn how to fly in the game.

Avoid ramming as a offense or defensive strategy.

Avoid running from other players 1 vs. 1 to make it a 3-4 vs 1 so that you can feel good about yourself if you get the kill. 



Avoid shooting into planes that are already falling to the ground to steal someone else's kill.


Honor: Pretty much covered in what not to do. Come into the game with fair play in mind. We are all here to have fun and not be badgered.  Take the time to help others learn the game. Avoid gang banging and give a guy a break once in awhile.

[BnZs]

KNOW WHAT my favorite thing about NOE raids are? i don't have to waste 15 minutes climbing out of the cartoon atmosphere to get to the fight. it;s right in the weeds, where it shoudl be. 

LOL, the whole point of an NOE raid is to NOT have to fight you. Should you get lucky, find and intercept one in time, don't hang around after looking for more bandits. They've gone looking for another undefended base.

Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.

A huge portion of the inanity, hording, and the same set of planes having all of the edges all of the time in the MA is the fact that it really is almost all "in the weeds". There is nothing wrong with dogfighting at low altitude of course but variety, fun, and historical interest would be better served if *something* was done to promote more high-altitude dogfights, not the opposite.

[Lusche]

Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.

And there is even a way to climb for 15 mins in spite of having ADD:

alt-tab



Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play this game

[442w30]

And there is even a way to climb for 15 mins in spite of having ADD:

alt-tab



Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play this game

alt-tab and then post to the forum? 

[Lusche]

alt-tab and then post to the forum? 

or enjoying adult entertainment 

[CAP1]

LOL, the whole point of an NOE raid is to NOT have to fight you. Should you get lucky, find and intercept one in time, don't hang around after looking for more bandits. They've gone looking for another undefended base.

Sir, 15 minutes of climb in the slowest climbing fighters will put you at 30K. Objecting to 15 minutes of climbing might be valid, objecting to 3-4 minutes borders on ADD.

A huge portion of the inanity, hording, and the same set of planes having all of the edges all of the time in the MA is the fact that it really is almost all "in the weeds". There is nothing wrong with dogfighting at low altitude of course but variety, fun, and historical interest would be better served if *something* was done to promote more high-altitude dogfights, not the opposite.

well, i was sorta exagarating about the time to climb to make a point......although last night, in a fight that was taking place just below 5k, i had been repeatedly picked by a con that appeared to be around 8-12k. so i upped from another base, came in around 12 or 13k.....guess where the bandit was? about 18k. i managed to evade 2 attacks, and fell prey on the third.
 now on a different note, the "hit" sounds in twinbooms soundpack are pretty dam cool.  

you are right, that too much fightng takes place low alt.......but to some of us, that's where the fun is. for me, lately, it's tryng to figure out how the hell to make a 38 turn with a spit...and i know it can be done. i've seen it. i've had guys in 38's outturn my hellkitty, spit, and almost outturn my zeek on occasion. i love the 38, and will figure out how to fight in it sooner or later. once i learn the low fihjting, i'll learn how to fight in her up high. my tgime ingame is severley limited though, making the learning curve steeper.

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[oTRALFZo]

Ive been on both sides here. Ive been on them missions of 30+ which objective is to take some real estate and witnessed the chest thumping after the mowing, Ho'ing and ramming the first thing that comes to town after the goon. It really seems to be the fad now.
You will never understand unless your on the other side of the fence to realize how obnoxious it is to get sarcastic salutes (which has happned to me) trying to defend that base.
Delirium is right..seasoned vets and even people that have been playing for a couple years have an unsaid duty and obligation to season newbs as much as possible. When they join and start flying for a week or so and all you see to get some kills have that sortie come to any winable conclusion is to join the 30+ horde, your mind will only become conditioned to do so with no effort on improving your game.
I hear a lot of "well we are playing within the parameters of the game" and "its my 15 a month and I'll do what I want" . That holds true, but there are many things in real life that I can think of that are "within the parameters"  that really peeve me off. ( I run a restaurant...people that dont show up or call for tables they booked, dont tip or come in 2 minutes before we close). yes they CAN do it..but out of respect YOU DONT.

[SlapShot]

Like Fugitive ... my beginnings in AH was with the M.A.W ... another premiere Knight base-taking squad.

I fondly remember bangin' heads with the Mafia and the Arabian Knights and many other good squads. These were epic battles that would last for hours.

These squads would pick a feld to take ... arrange the resources ... and then "go for it" ... in full view.

If the capture was thwarted, we (the M.A.W.) kept coming back over and over trying to overwhelm and control the enemy. Never once did I ever hear 40Dog say ... "Well the AKs kicked our arse here, let's give up on this one and try to sneak a base where they are not". To not go back and try again and again would be an embarrassment and the AKs would surely rub it in.

The competition between squads back then was, who could prevail over the other face to face on a given night ... not how many bases we can sneak in a night while trying to avoid the competition.

Yes we wanted to "winz the w@Rz" ... but we wanted to do it only after defeating the enemy and all in our path. As some have mentioned, squads would broadcast what field was next in the order ... but then again, it was quite obvious back in those days due to the smaller map size but avoiding the AKs or the AKs trying to avoid the M.A.W. ... no way.

All we needed was to see on country channel was ... the AKs are trying to take field XXX ... in a matter of seconds, M.A.W. would be spawning like ants at that field just to tangle with the AKs and defeat them if we could, and I am sure the AKs were hoping that we would show up. 'Tis not the case these days. I really don't see the larger squads keeping an eye out for the opposing larger squads and trying to thwart their efforts. It's more like ... ok their large squad is working this part of the map ... so we will work another part of the map.

This is what is missing in Aces High these days ... premiere/larger squads do not seem to want to bang heads with opposing premiere/larger squads.

There is nothing wrong with "base taking" or trying to "win the war" ... no different then "back in the day" ... it's the path and mindset of the current squad community that has taken this game and it's game play to it's low point.

My personal turning point (base taker to dog fighter) in AH was something that Del listed ...

C. Get tired of being smacked around by experienced sticks and approach a friendly one to teach them.

I was an expert at JABO and de-acking a field, but when those tasks were completed, and I ran into someone and had to dog fight ... I constantly got my arse handed to me so I parted ways with the M.A.W. (who I still highly respect) and went looking for a "teacher" or a "fighting squad" ... I found both in the 13th TAS and then finally the Blue Knights ... and I haven't looked back since. I can still "base take" with the best of them, but now at least I can fight too (average at best), without always getting my arse handed to me on a constant basis.

I believe, with all seriousness, you can not become a good dog fighter without suffering many deaths (for me it was many many many deaths). It seems that the skies are loaded with the 1 pass - HO - run - rinse/repeat crowd these days and I presume it's due to the fact that they are afraid to die ... and that is the part that I can't understand ... there is no shame in dieing in this game, or it least there shouldn't be.

I was flying in the MW last night defending a base and there was a KI-61 constantly perching high above the melee below and picked to his hearts content, landing 3, 4, or more per sortie. Anytime you turned into him for a fight ... up he went to his high perch. Finally, I decided to lift my F6F and climb out to get to his perching altitude. After getting to alt and then engaging him, the fight was over in about 15 seconds with him trying to out dive my F6F and then flying straight and level. He had NO CLUE whatsoever as to what to do when engaged on an equal basis ... it's what I expected, but was honestly hoping it wasn't.

Had he taken his KI into the mix (that night and other nights) ... suffered some deaths ... analyzed why he died and made changes to his flying style ... and continued this path of mixing and analyzing rather than worrying about ZOmG I might DIE !!! ... we might have had a great fight.

There are way too many people who play this game that worry about death and avoid it at all cost, and when they can't get away from the opponent and are forced to really dogfight ... they are nothing more than a 2-week noob on his first sortie.

[BnZs]

I'd like to see more 30K hordes. I run into them maybe once a month on average. They are usually heavy buffs complete with Ponys, Jugs, and 38s escorting. REAL planes! A real reason to climb a Ta-152 to intercept! Thin air like walking on ice in cowboy boots! Great stuff. Only downside, too easy to bang all the hangars down, and really, a formation is overkill for attacking an airbase, much less multiple airbases. Valuable strats, additional difficulties in bombing, and toning down the buff "death star" guns on buffs are all issues I have previously addressed at length, which would make this sort of mission a treat instead of a PITA.

[mechanic]

 I can only speak for myself here. If i act like a moron then I"m probably stressed about something in real life long before the game. Most of the time I try to make a little effort to make my pressence as peacefull and friendly as possible. When my parents were still together and i was a little boy (*pauses for cut n paste quote jokes posse*) they instilled in me a great sense of family, despite how 'family' turned out in my world, it remained. One of the great factors i was made aware of was something  my father called the 'interferance factor'. Like if we had geusts round me and my little bro were told tonight we must watch our interefance factor or we will be in trouble.
  Thats all it comes down to in my mind, for us to get along more often. People just need to watch out for their interferance factor. Thanks dad, i didnt realise truly untill now how smart what you tought me was.

[SlapShot]

oops ... finger check

[mike8318]

I've only been online here for a couple of months,and learned the following things,

 #1,It's only a game.No need it getting mad a getting vulched 3 times in a row.It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.You can take off again from another field.Can't tell you how many times I've been shot in my parachute.

 #2 The Stratigists vs dogfigter augument is pretty silly.If you want to go man on man,why no stay in the proper arena? If you don't want the bombers destroying your hangars,go shoot them down.Seems like going to the DA would be a perfect fit for those why want nothing but air to air.Those that enjoy teamwork,tactics,and a well planned mission exectued perfectly can use the Main arenas.

#3 It's only a game.

#4, see #3.


Just my 2cents worth.