Israel enters Gaza..

[JunkyII]

It's a long complicated struggle between the two of them, that as americans we will never fully understand.

what I would like to know is what is happening in the two wars we are fighting....

all i hear about is this war thats been going on for 60 years, that we are a part of by association

what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm tired of the media picking and choosing what's important for us to hear about.

US forces are moving out of Iraq very soon, but we are putting more into Afganistan

[KgB]

Perhaps thier grandfathers should have thought twice before trying to wipe out Israel in 1947. They might have had thier own country then. Instead they want to wipe them out, while Israel has tried to live in peace.

It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.

[AWwrgwy]

Are you aware of how Israel came to be?

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

[Yossarian]

If any of you watch BBC America (or just look on their website), you'll get a different perspective on the war, one that shows you both sides of the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

[fudgums]

I say let em fight to the death. Havnt they been doing that for last 4000 years. Just let em fight 

[WMLute]

It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.

If by "their" you mean the Brittish, then yes.

If by "their" you mean Palestinian, then your education is sorely lacking.

"There was no such thing as Palestinians ... It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."

"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."

During the 19 years from Israel’s victory in 1948 to Israel’s victory in the Six-Day War, all that remained of the UN’s partitioned territory to the “Arabs” of British Mandatory Palestine were the West Bank, under illegal Jordanian sovereignty, and the Gaza Strip, under Egyptian rule. Never during these 19 years did any Arab leader anywhere in the world argue for the right of national self-determination for the Arabs of these territories. A “Palestinian” nation and “Palestinian” people had not yet been invented. Even Yasser Arafat, from the earliest of his terrorist days until 1967, used the term ‘’Palestinians’’ to refer to the Arabs who lived under, or had fled from, Israeli sovereignty; and the term “Palestine” to refer to Israel in its pre-1967 borders (the 1949 armistice line).

Perhaps the most maddening term that I hear today is related to the term " Palestinian." Let me start by providing a history of that word. It was a term invented by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in a.d. 135 after he had destroyed Jerusalem during a campaign to put down a Jewish uprising known as the Bar Kokhba revolt. Hadrian was tired of the constant revolts by the Jews in the land of Israel so he set out to " de-Judaize" Israel. This he did by renaming Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina and he renamed the Land of Israel Palestine from the word Philistine, a reference to the ancient Canaanites. Palestine became the common term that many used to refer to the biblical land of Israel. During the early 1900s and before 1948, a Palestinian was always thought to be a Jew who lived in the land of Israel, of course, popularly known as Palestine. When Israel became a nation in 1948, the Jews took the biblical term Israel to refer to the reborn nation. Some time between 1948 and 1963, the Egyptian, Yasser Arafat took the term Palestine to refer to the Arab claim of the land of Israel. Thus, it was only around 1963 that the term Palestinian began to be used of Arabs. There is no such thing as the ancient land of Palestine. It is the ancient land of Israel.

Please read the fourth quote a couple times, and pay special attention to the bolded lines quote # 3 and 4.

I'm floored by just how little people actually know about history.  This is basic World History 101 stuff.  I knew this stuff in junior high, if not elementary school.

(sigh)

[Tango]

It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.

The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.

Of course it was on May 14, 1948  that Israel declared thier independence, but the ball was rolling in '47.

Its called HISTORY class.

[KgB]

If by "their" you mean the Brittish, then yes.

If by "their" you mean Palestinian, then your education is sorely lacking.

Please read the fourth quote a couple times.

I'm floored by just how little people actually know about history.  This is basic World History 101 stuff.  I knew this stuff in junior high, if not elementary school.

(sigh)

I'm sorry,you right.Egypt should share with Israel.England with Italy then with Germany.Turkey with Greece then with Italy then with Armenia.(they should take turns i guess)
Aha!USA..goes back to Brits or Natives,perhaps vikings?

Where does it stop?

[KgB]

The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.

Of course it was on May 14, 1948  that Israel declared thier independence, but the ball was rolling in '47.

Its called HISTORY class.

Its called wikipedia kid,go to bed now

[-tronski-]

Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
We should demand his blood not from the Palestinian Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves. . . . Let us make our reckoning today. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and gun barrel, we shall not be able to plant a tree or build a house. . . . Let us not be afraid to see the hatred that accompanies and consumes the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs who sit all around us and wait for the moment when their hands will be able to reach our blood

 Tronsky

[WMLute]

I'm sorry,you right.Egypt should share with Israel.England with Italy then with Germany.Turkey with Greece then with Italy then with Armenia.(they should take turns i guess)
Aha!USA..goes back to Brits or Natives,perhaps vikings?

Where does it stop?

I guess you didn't bother with the BOLDED parts of the quotes.  They do not deal with who "owned" the region, but the FACT that there is no such thing as a Palestinian. (from a race perspective anyway)

I especially want to point you towards how even Yasser Arafat used the term "Palestinian" to refer to Jews before 1968 (as did EVERYBODY in the world).

In 1968 he coined the term Palestinian to refer to Arabs in a speach he made at the UN.

I won't even get into who was there first.  (which is a very simple thing to prove.  only one of the two in question can considered to have a "homeland" in that region)

I am only pointing out the fact that there really are no Arabs that are "Palestinian" per. se. and there is no such thing as an "Arab Palestinian homeland".  Palestinian is a coined phrase that was bastardized in the late 1960's.

[Chalenge]

It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.

There are no Palestinians either. No illuminati either. There was no America in 412 AD... whats the point?

[Tango]

There are no Palestinians either. No illuminati either. There was no America in 412 AD... whats the point?

I think his point is he wants to ignore history.

[ghi]

The rebirth of Israel was prophesied over 2500 years ago, it's God"s will.
Below are some of prophecies fulfilled in 1948.


Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

Amos 9:14-15
I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.

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Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

Jeremiah 16:14-15
"However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

Isaiah 66:7-8
"Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children."

[Angus]

Well, they're there, squashing the Palestinians, who will NOT be able to uproot them.
I'm sorry for the ones suffering though, bear in mind that a war like this mostly kills the innocent.
Something though, the people VOTED for Hamas, then they started lobbing missilies into populated areas by the thousands, - now WTF do they expect? Kushions?
Same with the sympathy of the world. The Palestinians ask for it and are baffled with the coldness from i.e. the USA, but these were the first to run out and cheer as well as burn the US flag on 9/11.
So, while this stays like this, it'll go on for ever. Palestinians locked in, start suicide bombing or missile launching, then the Israelis move in and give a beating, move out, calm period, then the whole cirkus starts again.
Guess they're waiting for their allies to get stronger, but Israel has allies too...