Spixteens

[1pLUs44]

On bad days in AHII, I take one up, get 4 or 5 kills in a sortie, and either die, or land it.

[Shane]

yanno... since this is a tired old whine, it deserves a tired old response.

[Warspawn]

c hog is perked because of what, its cannons and its dive? even though all other american planes can dive with, or exceed its dive speed before fallin apart or compressing. if one thing gets a plane perked, as Gava said, the Spit 16 can hold its own in a perk world too. however, you perk the spit 16 youll see the nikki and la more...but those are easy kills unless they are in the right hands.

The CHog was perked in a world long before the LA7 and SpitXVI horde.  But I'd agree with a perk for those, as well as the Nikki.  Small perk.  Deal with it.  They're overflown and underperked.

[Delirium]

Clone is getting plenty of fish, they are hopping into his boat.

Troll on!

[SmokinLoon]

In terms of dogfighting, there are none better.  No other plane can do what the Spit16 can do on average all across the board when it comes to attributes.  

Find a plane that has a single better attribute then the Spit16 and you'll find two things: First, whatever category the Spit16 has been bested in you'll see that the Spit16 wont be far behind.  Obvious exceptions are the top speeds of the fastest few planes in the game and the heaviest of the ord carrying fighter bombers (P38/P47).  Second, the Spit16 will far outclass the plane that bested it in one or two categories in all other categories enough to nullify any advantage the Spit16's opponent may have had in a 1v1 fight.

What plane can roll as well, turn as well, dive as well, climb as well, destroy as well, fly as fast on average, and carry the same ord as well (it can carry 3 bombs for 1k of ord, not bad at all).  

It is a very sweet ride.  There really isnt a weakness.  Even when a newb is flying one it has to be resepcted.  IMO.. no other plane is easier than the Spit16 the gain air to air/1v1 kills in.  It is simply an awesome aircraft.

I'm tired of seeing it as well, but HTC dare not perk it or fine tune it for more accuracy (word is the AH2 Spit16 is a bit over modeled) or they's get swamped with hate mail and bomb threats.              

[toonces3]

No, the best part of this whine is:

a)  "I hate spit 16's!  Just one in the area throws off the balance of the arena!"

b)  "Mostly only noobs fly them!"

No offense, ace, but if noobs in any plane are unbalancing your "area", or are ruining your 14.95, you have some serious BFM/ACM issues. 

I can name 10 guys without even thinking hard about it, that can beat 90% of the players in AH2 in a spit 16, while flying an ENY 20+ plane themselves.

The K4 eats spits for breakfast.  Give one a try sometime.

[Getback]

Spits are not uber although some pilots make it look like that. In fact a good f6 pilot can give a spit 16 all he wants and more.

[Gabriel]

Spits are not uber although some pilots make it look like that. In fact a good f6 pilot can give a spit 16 all he wants and more.

Equal pilots?

Why do people always inject Different pilots when talking about plane vs plane?? And why is the Expert always in the lesser plane? What if hes in the über plane ? 

'well so and so can murder a Spit XVI with a Hurri I'

Fantastic, and totally irrelevant.

[BaldEagl]

Overall LW Arena K/D (high to low past 6 months... vehicles excluded):

Tempest
Me 262
Me 163B
F4U-1C
F4U-4
P-38J
Typhoon IB
Ki-84-Ia
Fw 190D-9
Hurricane Mk IIC
F4U-1A
Spitfire Mk XIV
Bf 109K-4
A-20G
Ta 152H
P-47-D25
N1K2
Ki-61
P-47-D11
Fw 190A-5
Bf 109G-14
Il-2
P-51D
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI (25th... 19th with perk planes excluded)

Yes... pretty unbalancing.   

[Getback]

Equal pilots?

Why do people always inject Different pilots when talking about plane vs plane?? And why is the Expert always in the lesser plane? What if hes in the über plane ? 

'well so and so can murder a Spit XVI with a Hurri I'

Fantastic, and totally irrelevant.

There are no equal pilots.

[Karnak]

The CHog was perked in a world long before the LA7 and SpitXVI horde.  But I'd agree with a perk for those, as well as the Nikki.  Small perk.  Deal with it.  They're overflown and underperked.

Funny that you should suggest perking the popular aircraft that aren't American and yet leave no mention of the most common of all fighters.  Typical, but funny.

[Messiah]

Spit 16 is on the low end of my "Uh Oh" list when it comes to enemy planes.   Lately all I've seen are P51s/190Ds that like to be timid and pick and run.  Easy to avoid them but god are they annoying little twits.

[Anaxogoras]

Yes, if the Spit16 were perked then you would see more N1Ks and La7s.

But I'm just looking at the performance data...  When looking at a well-rounded data set for all of the most important categories of aircraft performance, the Spit16 ranks with the perk rides, and the La-7 and N1K do not.  Numbers do not lie.

Here are results that are typical of the spreadsheet I'm working on.  No matter how I try to tweak the modifiers that increase or decrease the importance of different performance criteria, the Spit16 comes out on top because it only has a few weakness.  I could increase the importance of roll-rate to move the VIII down, but remember that would only move the 16 up.   In this lineup ordinance capacity is weighted a little heavily, perhaps at the expense of level acceleration and roll rate (I was trying my best to move the XVI down but couldn't do it).

Tempest   0.62
F4U-4   0.57
Spit XIV   0.50
Spit XVI   0.49
F4U-1C   0.41
Spit VIII   0.38
LA7   0.36
P47N   0.30
F4U-1D   0.29
KI84   0.27
P38L   0.25
109 K-4   0.22
P51D   0.21
F4U-1   0.20
N1K2   0.19
P38J   0.19
P47D-40   0.17
TA152   0.16
P51B   0.15
110 G   0.14
190D-9   0.13
Spit IX   0.12
Typhoon   0.12
F6F   0.11
LA5   0.11
P47D-25   0.11
109 G-14   0.09
Mossie   0.08
109 G-2   0.04
P47D-11   0.03
109 F-4   0.00
190A-5   -0.04
YAK 9U   -0.04
P38G   -0.06
109 G-6   -0.09
Spit V   -0.09
190A-8   -0.10
C205   -0.15
KI61   -0.25
Seafire IIC   -0.26
Hurri IIC   -0.27
190F-8   -0.28
YAK 9T   -0.28
C202   -0.35
FM2   -0.46
Spit I   -0.48
A6M5   -0.50
P40E   -0.52
Hurri IID   -0.57
A6M2   -0.58
110 C   -0.63
109 E-4   -0.68
Hurri I   -0.71
F4F   -0.80
P40B   -0.89

[Corrs]

So ya wanna whine about the spit16 eh...well I'll give you something to whine about

I have a plane for total world domination over AH, I plan to change what is considered to be the dweeb plane that everyone wants to cry home to mommy about....No more whines about the spit's, LA's, P-51's, ect anymore.....

First I will rally all my fellow Flying Circus clowns and any other followers to up a mass invasion of Stuka's loaded with Volkswagen's, Jetta's, Passat's, Nooks, or whatever that big old kegger strapped to the bottom of that thing is called....

Next we will all chant just like Belushi did in Animal House, but instead of Toga it will be Stuka Stuka Stuka...

Then we will fly our slower then your dead grass growing in yer big arse yard planes right through your hordes of rice burners, alt monkey's, BnZ, Turn and Burn, HO'n, and colliding pimp planes to make you all say WTF is that...but that is after a handful of us wonder why our gear is not retracting and why our WEP is failing...

After our auto climb for 30 minutes, we shall reach 5,000 feet over your mother base and all dive bomb all of your hangers, and while we are in our dives we will all yell out FARFA-NOOKIN!!!! in place of the dive siren to put fear into the enemy....

and after we all have leveled your mother base, we will slowly fly back to your horde and turn fight and kill every last one of you with our BB guns of destruction...

And then all of our Farfa-nookin raiders will return to our bases and land multiple kills from dropping the Jetta in the middle of a horde of GV's, turn figher kills with the BB gun, and running away kills with the rear spit ball launcher...

If I succeed, the Stuka will be the new ubber dweeb want some cheese with that whine plane of AH  

[Oleg]

Spits are not uber although some pilots make it look like that. In fact a good f6 pilot can give a spit 16 all he wants and more.

In fact, some pilots can make any plane looks like uber.