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Offline DJ111

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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2009, 03:24:03 PM »
You must have crappy 16s then.  Mine never rusted or jammed... I've humped 20k's in pouring rain, it didn't rust.
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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2009, 03:40:47 PM »
(1) But you are all-knowing, right?

(2) Because it's our RIGHT to own them.
1 - Yes, I'm glad someone finally notices it.  Thank you, you have made my day complete, and I haven't even had dinner yet.

2 - Yes it is, and our country can decide whether or not we can actually have them or not regardless of what is written on a piece of paper (they've.  There's obviously a reason why they are banned.  They aren't conventional weapons for civilians to own, and operate.  Like a civilian cannot own a Abrams tank, or a stealth bomber, or a submarine with nuclear capabilities.  I don't like being told what I can, and can't have, like 90% of the other people in this country, I've just learned to accept them and not ask questions or raise a fuss.  No matter what we say, no matter how much we beg, the ban will not get lifted until our government deems it unnecessary.  It's the facts o'life my friend.  Thank the people who have screwed it up for the rest of us.

Believe it or not, I'd love to own an assault rifle.  I like using machine guns.
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2009, 03:46:32 PM »
So the Constitution is just some flimsy piece of paper?


I see.
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2009, 03:47:20 PM »
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nowhere does it make exceptions for assault weapons.

You never answered my question.  What do you think the Second Amendment is for?

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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2009, 03:47:53 PM »
You must have crappy 16s then.  Mine never rusted or jammed... I've humped 20k's in pouring rain, it didn't rust.
Brand new, actually.

It's a possibility of the added humidity.  Whenever the M-16 comes up in conversations as being a top-notch weapon, I cringe.  They have many small moving parts that if lost makes the gun useless, it jams far too often, it rusts, and it's stopping power is not impressive.  I've had to use them before, if you understand what I'm meaning.
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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2009, 03:53:59 PM »
As I said before.

I've never been in those situations.

Just basic cleaning kept mine at 100%.

And it was an A2 to boot.


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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2009, 03:57:37 PM »


2 - Yes it is, and our country can decide whether or not we can actually have them or not regardless of what is written on a piece of paper (

you will go far in the party comrade. Now i must ask you for your papers, it is just a formality, if you fully cooperate you may not be arrested.

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2009, 04:00:05 PM »
 I've had to use them before, if you understand what I'm meaning.

video games don't count.  :lol

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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »
So the Constitution is just some flimsy piece of paper?


I see.
To me?  Absolutely not.  I'd sacrifice my life for the Constitution of the United States.

To the government?  Sometimes.  Look at some of the illegal things they have committed in the last couple of years.  The Patriot Act.  Firebombing.  They'll break the Constitution whenever they feel like it, but also use it as a crutch when need be.
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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2009, 04:03:37 PM »
video games don't count.  :lol
Yeah, it's funny.   :aok
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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2009, 04:34:42 PM »

This part is what give me trouble.....


"Disobeying a lawful order is a crime. There is no possible way that an officer can be sure of your intentions when you withhold a weapon from him. Cooperation is key."


because....


"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." ~~ Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (2 Cranch) 137 (1803)

who decides what a Lawful Order is?  The Judge or Jury AFTER the fact?  And what happened to I'm innocent until PROVEN guilty?  And how do I know that YOU are the officer stopping me or if it's some officer that's on a power trip that INTENDS to keep my firearm NO MATTER WHAT?


The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.

and.... resistance is required?

Because.....

"[The purpose of a written constitution is] to bind up the several branches of government by certain laws, which, when they transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion, on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender those rights."-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia [1782]

I want you to go home to your family SAFE and in good health!

But too much of what you said tells me that Law Enforcement MAY BE gradually taking on too much power!

Ya I know law suites and such are getting so ridicules that you can get sued either way you go so better safe then sorry. 

But I've also heard the argument similar to the  how do you know the individual isn't on their way to commit a murder/crime with that firearm argument.

You don't!  but you also don't know if the individual is just carrying it because they actually believe they STILL have rights.

The question that KEEPS coming up in my head is WHY!

WHY can't I carry around a weapon, or an assault weapon for that matter, in my vehicle if I want to?

Sorry for my delay in response Wrag, I took a nap ;)

I think you miss my point. I, meaning ME, will secure your weapon every time we contact each other. It has nothing to do with stripping you, or any other law abiding citizen, the right to be armed within the scope of the law. I am securing a weapon, from a person I do not know, for MY safety. I will do it every time. I cannot think of an officer who wouldn't. Is it legal? You're damned right it is.

On the Assault weapon topic, I am 100% of the thought that it is our right and nobody should be able to take that from us. On that note though, ask the officers shot in North Hollywood, 28 Feb 97 about assault weapons. They may have a different opinion for reasons other that trying to deprive you of something.

I am more for the control and ban of certain grains and projectiles in ammunition. There are rounds out there that will penetrate the highest levels of our armor. That scares me.

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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2009, 07:05:19 PM »
Have you ever used an M-16 for an extended period of time?
When I got sent to Louisana to help clean up the katrina mess, we had to have plastic wrapping around the entire weapon, because if a M-16 gets a little wet, it'll rust within minutes.  Let alone the jamming frequency of the weapon, it's plastic stock that'd break if used for close combat.  They'll rust completely shut if used in water, and they'll jam if sand gets poured in the weapon.  Yes, they are absolutely fragile.  Talk to me after you've been in the armed services.

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"Absolutly fragile"? Boy these trolls just dont stop coming do they?

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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2009, 03:16:53 AM »
Guesses on who this guy is? Elvis maybe? :lol

"Absolutly fragile"? Boy these trolls just dont stop coming do they?

Another Elvis sighting and we still dont have forum ignore privelages.

When I see what that guy types, the phrase.....drug induced fantasies....keeps coming to mind.  :D
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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2009, 03:35:49 AM »
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I think you miss my point. I, meaning ME, will secure your weapon every time we contact each other. It has nothing to do with stripping you, or any other law abiding citizen, the right to be armed within the scope of the law. I am securing a weapon, from a person I do not know, for MY safety. I will do it every time. I cannot think of an officer who wouldn't. Is it legal? You're damned right it is.

We don't know YOU either. We want to go home safe every day as well. How do WE know that YOU (or any other LEO for that matter) are not an LEO like these two?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOI9ahGxMfk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc&fmt=18

Concern for one's safety goes both ways, and you are not taking my gun for your safety because I just may need it for mine, and when it comes down to the nitty gritty, my safety is more important than yours.
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Re: all citizens...Hand over your guns on demand
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2009, 06:45:24 AM »
What do you mean "What does that have to do with anyone carrying around such a weapon"?  If you're packing more heat than the police, bad things will happen.  You'll shoot your big gun, hitting/killing a few officers, and then they'll shoot you a bazillion times, and your family will sue them.

Like I said, I'm not 100% sure if what I said is correct or not, I'm almost sure I've heard it before.

You perhaps have issues with freedom and liberty?  Those things scare you do they?

ALL are guilty in your eyes?

"If you're packing more heat than the police, bad things will happen."

Why?   Why will bad thing happen?  Please explain?

"You'll shoot your big gun, hitting/killing a few officers, and then they'll shoot you a bazillion times, and your family will sue them."

Why would I do that?  Why would I shoot a few officers?  Do you know something I don't?
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