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« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2009, 03:28:32 PM »
That makes me laugh bubi, because I was told the same thing about ammo duration, e.g. it doesn't matter how long the 190A-5's 7mm lasts.  How much can you destroy with it?

Secondly, you are completely wrong that the results are not practical.  If I want to gun down town buildings, it tells me exactly which planes do well at it, and which do not.  For example, the Ta-152 may have great firepower, but if I only relied on that information I would be woefully wrong in choosing it for that purpose.
But the Ta-152 is ranked lower than the 110C, which has one of the worst gun packages in the game for any purpose. I would rather take the Ta-152 than the 110C.
Look at all the planes behind the C.202. I would take any one of those over the C.202 based on firepower.

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« Reply #91 on: May 13, 2009, 03:41:55 PM »
As already stated, Anaxagoras chart shows the complete destructive value of the various planes. Simply computed by (damage_per_round times number_of_rounds).
The reason why the 110C is ranked so high. It's carryong a whopping 4000 rounds for its MG17's.

What you other guys are looking for is a comparison of firepower per burst:




In this chart, Spit 9 and Spit 5 have the same value. But of course the ammo quantity plays a role in battle too, which is better reflected by Anxagoras' chart.
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« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2009, 03:45:33 PM »
Ahhh, I see where you're going with that.  The C202 might destroy an extra half building vs a 109G-2, but the 109G-2 will do the job much more quickly.  You're right that you would want to cross reference this information with lethality to make a final selection; looking at either category in isolation is wrong.
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« Reply #93 on: May 13, 2009, 03:47:46 PM »
That chart is useful if you're looking to shoot at objects. It would be more applicable if it were for something like 2-5 seconds' worth of firing.
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« Reply #94 on: May 13, 2009, 03:51:51 PM »
That chart is useful if you're looking to shoot at objects. It would be more applicable if it were for something like 2-5 seconds' worth of firing.
The Hurri IID only has 4 seconds of ammo for its 40mm cannon! :cry
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« Reply #95 on: May 13, 2009, 03:53:27 PM »
That chart is useful if you're looking to shoot at objects. It would be more applicable if it were for something like 2-5 seconds' worth of firing.

Mine is based on a 1 second burst. It's a pure gun power comparison.

Ahhh, I see where you're going with that.  The C202 might destroy an extra half building vs a 109G-2, but the 109G-2 will do the job much more quickly.  Y

Yes, though I don't know who's taking a C.202 for town killing... it's barely able to destroy 3 town buildings ;)
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« Reply #96 on: May 13, 2009, 03:53:40 PM »
That chart is useful if you're looking to shoot at objects. It would be more applicable if it were for something like 2-5 seconds' worth of firing.

Moot,

The graph is relative......just change the numbers on the side. Doesnt really matter how long the plane fires as your comparing it plane to plane. The relationship between them is independent time. The graph would look the same at any value of time. Of course this isnt considering ammo load.....
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« Reply #97 on: May 13, 2009, 04:02:27 PM »
I notice the Ki-61 is absent.  They have the fastest firing cannons in the game.   
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« Reply #98 on: May 13, 2009, 04:04:48 PM »
I notice the Ki-61 is absent.  They have the fastest firing cannons in the game.   

Ki-61 is on both charts. It's maybe just lower than you expected ;)

"Firepower" is based on power of a individual round times ROF. See Mr. Williams website for exact values of all common WWII aerial guns: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm
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« Reply #99 on: May 13, 2009, 04:21:52 PM »
On the bright side now I know why it takes a great shot to take down anything in a 51B.

6th worst   :uhoh

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« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2009, 04:27:42 PM »
On the bright side now I know why it takes a great shot to take down anything in a 51B.

6th worst   :uhoh

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Speaking of P-51B's, I don't see the FM2, which I would surmise = P-51B on the chart.


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« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 PM »
On the bright side now I know why it takes a great shot to take down anything in a 51B.

6th worst   :uhoh

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Not that bad. It's still having a much better trajectory than, for example, the A6M2's guns, so hitting at range is considerably easier :)


Speaking of P-51B's, I don't see the FM2, which I would surmise = P-51B on the chart.


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« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2009, 04:34:28 PM »
Not that bad. It's still having a much better trajectory than, for example, the A6M2's guns, so hitting at range is considerably easier :)

It's there :)

Doh!! 

I didn't have my window open enough to even see P-51B.

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« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2009, 05:38:56 PM »
I've only just read this last page but I noticed something. The 190A-8 should be between the 262 and 163. 163 has 2x 30mm, 190a8 carries 2x30mm, 2x20mm, 2x13mm. When compared to the 110G with 4x20mm and 2x30mm, it would be a little less than that, but more than the 163, no?

I guess it depends which package you load these things out with. Without the extra 2-gun gondola option, the 110G falls below the 190a8 WITH 30mm option.