P-47M

[eddiek]

Since there are "needs" expressed for the 190A9 and 109G-10, I think it's time to bring this back to the top of the pages so no one forgets the USAAF "needs", too!   

[Kazaa]

+1 for the P47M, it's about time latewar has a competative Jug.

[fyvsix]

Bottom of the second page? I think not!

[Bronk]

+1 for the P47M, it's about time latewar has a competative Jug.

So the N is not competitive?

[Bronk]

Look at the US planeset and then look at other nation's planesets.

Karnak I'm not asking when I'm asking why not? I too would love to see some early way Japanese  AC first.
But as to the question "Can the P-47-M be introduced?"  Why not... it fits the criteria for introduction in the game. If not then I say remove the Ta-152.

[BnZs]

So the N is not competitive?

Well, here is the problem Bronk. The N is not appropriate to the European theater. That makes a difference to a lot of people. The D-40 is, but is really 20mph too slow at typical MA alts to be a front-line ride. There is simply too much it can neither extend from nor hope to win a well-fought angles fight against. Otherwise, the D40 has a number of small advantages over the N, which add up. The M would give the best of both, and clearly be the most competitive Jug, and easily deserve the 5 eny number that the N does not deserve. The M would give the USAAF a ride about as desirable for typical MA low alts conditions as the La7, Spit16, Dora9, and 109K4 already are.

[Hajo]

OK gents here is what is involved developing an aircraft at HTC.

Drawings and prints.  Anyone have any?  Do you know where they could be found?

Pilots notes on the P47M model.....have to have them to model the aircraft.

Since I've been somewhat involved on trying to get the beaufighter added to the game

there is a lot of detective work to be done.  And the majority of the detective work has

to come from the Community.

Sources:

Wikis- Throw them out the window totally untrustworthy.

NASM your best bet IF they have the info.  The information isn't free and sometimes copyright protected.

NACA....you can give them a shot.

Manufacturers:  give them a shot.

All in all I'll bet it took Dan and myself 3 to 4 months to provide accurate information.

After that is submitted to HTC then the modeling can begin.  Modeling is at their discretion.

It's just not add the M Model its' not that simple. It is gather valid stats and info along with drawings

and then, the modeling can begin.

[Anaxogoras]

Don't forget all the skins everyone submits, which gives skuzzy a migraine.

[Kazaa]

So the N is not competitive?

No.

[fyvsix]

The N was made to escort B-29's at high alt and a very long way to Japan and back. If we played that way, it would be competitive. In the MA it's mostly a dog with some good spurs until WEP runs out.

[Stoney]

The N was made to escort B-29's at high alt and a very long way to Japan and back. If we played that way, it would be competitive. In the MA it's mostly a dog with some good spurs until WEP runs out.

If you don't think the "N" is competitive in the MA, you're doing it wrong...

[Kazaa]

If you don't think the "N" is competitive in the MA, you're doing it wrong...

I think they're doing it wrong, I'm the one who keeps pwning them with ease.

[Wingnutt]

If you don't think the "N" is competitive in the MA, you're doing it wrong...

any plane can be competitive in the MA, given proper use..

the issue is the 5ENY value..   even with WEP the N has no "super power"  like most other 5 eny rides..  climb rate is average, acceleration is average/slow  turning is nothing too great, e-retention is slightly better than average but not great, firepower is above average but not in 4 hizooka or 30mm territory..  it has amazing stability in a dive but so do other planes with a higher ENY value.  roll rate is good but not the best either.

and after it runs out of wep, its equal or inferior to the 20 ENY D40 in performance.

its only "wow" its its the most fuel efficiant.. jug..   which is more or less a moot point in the MA anyway.

[Strip]

Anyone who thinks the N doesnt pawn all hasnt had it up to 30,000 feet.....

If you ever get in a fight up there you will see why it has a ENY of 5.

Whether its worth the ENY 5 down low is another story.

[Anaxogoras]

any plane can be competitive in the MA, given proper use..

the issue is the 5ENY value..   even with WEP the N has no "super power"  like most other 5 eny rides..  climb rate is average, acceleration is average/slow  turning is nothing too great, e-retention is slightly better than average but not great, firepower is above average but not in 4 hizooka or 30mm territory..  it has amazing stability in a dive but so do other planes with a higher ENY value.  roll rate is good but not the best either.

and after it runs out of wep, its equal or inferior to the 20 ENY D40 in performance.

its only "wow" its its the most fuel efficiant.. jug..   which is more or less a moot point in the MA anyway.

I don't think you have accurately estimated the N's performance.  Among single engine fighters, its Eg retention is 2nd only to the Ta-152.  At 400mph its roll rate is tied for first with the P-38L, and at lower speeds its roll rate is still among the best.  I don't know why you'd compare its armament to the 30mm Mk 108, which only achieves a paltry 540m/s muzzle velocity.  Moreover, while the 8 .50s are a bit weaker than a 4x20mm armament, the total destructive potential of its guns is 4th in the game after the 110 G, 190A-8, and N1K2.  Did I mention ordinance?

Lastly, the P-47N should be flown at altitude.  Don't compare it to La-7s and Typhoons at 2k ft.  Keep it above 10k ft and nothing can touch you.