P-47M

[Rebel]

If this were to be added, I'd change my handle to "Sally", refer to HTC as "Mt Olympus", and name all of the employees therein by their respective Godly names- Zeus for HT, Hera for Mrs.HT, etc.

For it is written that Zeus himself requires scotch, and he shall receive a 12 or 15 year vintage of his choosing upon the arrival of the mighty Pegasus-M model.

That is all

[druski85]

Now THAT is how you beat a dead horse.  Well played rebel 

(I too would love the 47M  )

[LLogann]

Why do you want a plane that failed?

The M saw very little action and was eventually terminated.  The other M prototype became the first N prototype....

From wiki:
"Engines were unable to reach operating temperatures and power settings and frequently failed in early flights from a variety of causes: ignition harnesses cracked at high altitudes, severing electrical connections between the magneto and distributor, and carburetor valve diaphragms also failed. Persistent oil tank ruptures in replacement engines were found to be the result of inadequate protection against salt-water corrosion during transshipment. By the time the bugs were worked out, the war in Europe was nearly over. The entire total of 130 P-47Ms were delivered to the 56th Fighter Group, and were responsible for all four of that group's jet shoot-downs. "

The Meteor shot down a couple of German jets too but we aint going to see that one either.

[Furball]

Why do you want a plane that failed?

The M saw very little action and was eventually terminated.  The other M prototype became the first N prototype....

From wiki:
"Engines were unable to reach operating temperatures and power settings and frequently failed in early flights from a variety of causes: ignition harnesses cracked at high altitudes, severing electrical connections between the magneto and distributor, and carburetor valve diaphragms also failed. Persistent oil tank ruptures in replacement engines were found to be the result of inadequate protection against salt-water corrosion during transshipment. By the time the bugs were worked out, the war in Europe was nearly over. The entire total of 130 P-47Ms were delivered to the 56th Fighter Group, and were responsible for all four of that group's jet shoot-downs. "

The Meteor shot down a couple of German jets too but we aint going to see that one either.

Meteor shot down some pulse jets, i think we will see it one day because it will add a lot to AH gameplay. Sorry for the hijack!

[nikomon]

Honestly any new feature added to this Sim would be greatly appreciated!


ANY new Bomber, Fighter , attack , GV , or even a new MA arena/map

Would be something to talk about!   




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[Rebel]

Why do you want a plane that failed?

The M saw very little action and was eventually terminated.  The other M prototype became the first N prototype....

First off, thanks for taking a lighthearted thread WAY too seriously- if ya searched, you'd have found probably at least a dozen threads calling for the hot-rod Jug. 

That having been said....

I'm curious as to your criterium for failure.  It had teething problems (most a/c did), and the entire 47 line was scrubbed in favor of the F4U and F51 by 1948, so I can't really cite the short service length of the aircraft as a "failure" in any means.

What it certainly DIDN'T fail at was smashing speed records belonging to the P-51.  473mph at alt?  Yes, thank you.  Almost 40 mph faster then the Mustang. 

I also don't see why the M/N comparison is brought up.  They only share the same engine.  Beyond that, they're ENTIRELY different aircraft.   A comparison of the P-39 and the P63 would make about as much sense.

**Edit** HAIL ZEUS! 

[LLogann]

First off, thanks for taking a lighthearted thread WAY too seriously- if ya searched, you'd have found probably at least a dozen threads calling for the hot-rod Jug.         Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any new Thunderbolt, my crazy squadies love that ride.  But after the last 2 years of seeing the rejections by the community, I think it is rubbing off on me...... Sorry Sir.


I also don't see why the M/N comparison is brought up.  They only share the same engine.  Beyond that, they're ENTIRELY different aircraft.   A comparison of the P-39 and the P63 would make about as much sense.    Actually the wing design and engine are the only differences.

[Rebel]

I thought the entire control system was different, the airframe was strengthened, the weight redistributed to improve stability, and a whole slew of other things were in there....I'll check out AHT tonight, provided Widewing doesn't come down here and slap me upside the head with a mountain of tech data.

Sorry if I seemed short with ya.  I'm in IT at a bank, and we're in tax season.  Yeah.  Figure THAT one out.  Friggin' users.  I'm hiding in my cube now rebuilding laptops.  Maybe they won't find me.... 

[Anaxogoras]

The M Jug would be fun.  Seeing how much the German aircraft suffer when they have drop-tank racks and other nick-nacks under the fuselage or wings, I can only imagine how much improved the 47 would be without those ordinance pylons.

That said, it's still more important to fill in the gaps for good scenario play.

[Krusty]

See Rule #4

[BnZs]

See Rule #4

[Anaxogoras]

110s and 109s that can reach 400mph IAS without notable loss of control authority...I could go on and on.

The 109G/K roll rate is 82% slower at 400mph than at 300mph.  The 110 suffers about the same.

The P-51D roll rate is about 33% slower at 400mph than 300mph.

P-47 about 17%

P-38L rolls better at 400mph than at 300mph.

[BnZs]

The 109G/K roll rate is 82% slower at 400mph than at 300mph.  The 110 also loses about 82% of its roll rate from 300-400mph.

Most planes loose some roll between 300-400.

I just tried it, and the machine is still rolling satisfactorily, about as well as a P-51 at any rate, until the needle cross the 380 mark. No problem pulling to blackout at that speed either. I was given to understand that notable stiffness appeared as slow as 280mph IAS. It is certainly this way in "Il2"... 

Any advantage in handling above 400 mph IAS is almost strictly for running away, since most prop airplanes don't indicate anywhere near that fast, especially at altitude,(at high altitude, an IAS of 400 or so has already put you at/near mach compression anyway) and there is nothing *making* your opponent follow you in a power-dive, as opposed to simply staying on the perch and shooting you if you attempt to climb back up.

[Anaxogoras]

I just tried it, and the machine is still rolling satisfactorily, about as well as a P-51 at any rate, until the needle cross the 380 mark. No problem pulling to blackout at that speed either. I was given to understand that notable stiffness appeared as slow as 280mph IAS. It is certainly this way in "Il2"... 

"Stiffness" is only a description of the force required from the pilot to move the controls.  It doesn't tell us anything about how well the aircraft could be rolled despite that stiffness.

At 300mph the P-51D completes a 360 degree roll about .5 seconds faster than the 109G/K.  At 400mph about 2.6 seconds faster.

[WWhiskey]

M,M,M,M,   please