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Offline Jappa52

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Re: All hail...
« Reply #135 on: January 19, 2009, 10:49:25 AM »
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #136 on: January 19, 2009, 10:54:46 AM »
Oh come on guys.  You all know the thrill of an NOE missun is avoiding the trees on the way there.  I have nothing but respect for those highly skilled pilits.   :salute
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #137 on: January 19, 2009, 11:31:41 AM »
Oh come on guys.  You all know the thrill of an NOE missun is avoiding the trees on the way there.  I have nothing but respect for those highly skilled pilits.   :salute

I'm sure that you hold Punkstangs, pickers and campers etc. with their dubious "skills" in the same high esteem.

 I would venture to say that they are all doing their best to avoid a fight.

And trees. :salute
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #138 on: January 19, 2009, 11:35:42 AM »
I'm sure that you hold Punkstangs, pickers and campers etc. with their dubious "skills" in the same high esteem.

 I would venture to say that they are all doing their best to avoid a fight.

And trees. :salute


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Re: All hail...
« Reply #139 on: January 19, 2009, 11:44:38 AM »
I'm sure that you hold Punkstangs, pickers and campers etc. with their dubious "skills" in the same high esteem.

 I would venture to say that they are all doing their best to avoid a fight.

And trees. :salute

I always meet the trees when i pick  :huh 

I say perk the trees!!! They climb waaaay to fast and can outmaneuver any plane.
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #140 on: January 19, 2009, 11:51:53 AM »
Hello Scotch,

I understand your frustrations with NOE hordes that avoid fights.  I must tell you that I take exception to your use of the Pigs as an example of poor game play.  The Pigs never, I repeat never, try to avoid fights.  We fly right into those very same hordes that you describe to fight them whenever we can.  NOE missions are the exception, not the rule for us.  Even though we have 50+ affiliated members, it is a very rare night indeed to have more than 15 folks on at any time.  So it would be physically impossible to put together one of these "super horde don't want to fight NOE missions" of 30-40 planes you have described and pictured.  I ask that you not trash talk my squad, as it is not something I would do to yours.

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Re: All hail...
« Reply #141 on: January 19, 2009, 12:43:21 PM »
Hello Scotch,

I understand your frustrations with NOE hordes that avoid fights.  I must tell you that I take exception to your use of the Pigs as an example of poor game play.  The Pigs never, I repeat never, try to avoid fights.  We fly right into those very same hordes that you describe to fight them whenever we can.  NOE missions are the exception, not the rule for us.  Even though we have 50+ affiliated members, it is a very rare night indeed to have more than 15 folks on at any time.  So it would be physically impossible to put together one of these "super horde don't want to fight NOE missions" of 30-40 planes you have described and pictured.  I ask that you not trash talk my squad, as it is not something I would do to yours.

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I dont really believe that he refered to POTW as a squad synonimous to the overkill missions.  I cant imagine the community putting you in that category ( Ive never seen in the text buffers " NOE 34..its them pesky POTW guys").
IMO..theres nothing wrong with NOE missions..its the ones that have 30+ in them that boggles my mind. With that many #s..why and I mean WHY try to avoid contact at all cost? Second..if you really want that piece of real estate..the mission goes awry..KEEP fighting for it..dont shy away and off to some other base with absolutley no uppers. is it excessive?..YES..these attacks go on all night
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #142 on: January 19, 2009, 02:03:05 PM »
I dont really believe that he refered to POTW as a squad synonimous to the overkill missions.  I cant imagine the community putting you in that category ( Ive never seen in the text buffers " NOE 34..its them pesky POTW guys").
IMO..theres nothing wrong with NOE missions..its the ones that have 30+ in them that boggles my mind. With that many #s..why and I mean WHY try to avoid contact at all cost? Second..if you really want that piece of real estate..the mission goes awry..KEEP fighting for it..dont shy away and off to some other base with absolutley no uppers. is it excessive?..YES..these attacks go on all night

I appreciate you answering oTRALFZo.  He mentioned no squad by name, but he did mention our signature salute "Oink" at least twice.  I just want to make sure I felt he was not inferring that the POTW were the type of squad that he was griping about.  Please let me know if I am missing something.  Here are the quotes:

In both cases the other 1/2 are at the town.

These squads have reason to be proud of themselves!
I salute you.  :salute
Or in your words... "oink".

I didn't say POTW were the squads pictured however the attitude is all the same.

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Re: All hail...
« Reply #143 on: January 19, 2009, 02:31:15 PM »
Hey Scotch Suck it that is bishops. you jealous deal with it. OINK :rock
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #144 on: January 19, 2009, 03:47:54 PM »
I am not sure, as I am at work and did not take the time to read in detail EVERY post that was made here.. but... here is the story on POTW from my perspective.

1. POTW is a large squad.  Thus, we tend to have quite a bit larger numbers on than some squads at times.
2. POTW likes a variety of things.  ANy given night you will find us
     A. Furballing
     B. Flying fighter sweeps
     C. Running heavy bombers with escorts to facilitate base taking
     D. Running the occasional NOE Raid. 
  Since the NOE is the crux of the matter here, i will give my viewpoint.  Keep in mind this is MY viewpoint and not necissarily EVERYONES.  However, we have the 3rd wing, which is a dedicated a2a wing.  Granted, you cant tell which ones of us are 3rd wing but its pretty easy to tell.. we dont hang those smurfy green things of four wings!
NOE, we will perform an NOE suprise attack.  Not a lot fo the time, but at times we will do so, generally speaking we try to find a base that has some strategic importance in directing the course of the "WAR"
If someone ups and disrupts our NOE, we dont pack up and go somewhere else.. we will fight.  We will continue to up and come in to attack the base. 

In MY opinoin I enjoy acm/furballs much more than either of the other 2, but in a squad that does all of these things, Just as they sometimes fly MY type of flight, I too sometimes do thiers.  Each "style" is fun in its own regard. (although i always do A2A no matter which "style" we are doing at the time).  The massive NOE raid is the least enjoyable for me, since usually there is not a decent fight.  I try to get us going in fighter sweeps and/or historical style mass bombing raids (with escorts) aince I find both of these MUCH more enjoyable.  But, as I said.. with a squad of such varied interests as POTW, each of us has to take a turn at doing something we dont care for, to appease those who do like that style.

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Re: All hail...
« Reply #145 on: January 19, 2009, 04:39:19 PM »
I don't much want my P-47N or Ta-152 perked.

You and I both know the 152 doesn't deserve its 5 ENY.  It's more like a 10-15 ENY ride.

On the other hand, I've convinced myself that the 47N is worth its 5 ENY.  The ability to stay aloft long enough to use everyone one of those 3400 50 cal rounds, firing at a rate of 106.25 rounds per second, combined with the 2nd best roll rate at 400mph, not to mention an ordinance capacity comparable to a medium bomber, makes it a formidable aircraft.  Sure, it's not suited to the luftberry tactics favored in the main arena, but no one forces you to fly that way. :aok
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #146 on: January 19, 2009, 05:42:51 PM »
A few of the really nice aspects of Aces High is that the inventors & programmers built the aspect of strategic game play into the sim.  If you are a strategic thinker...you can actually  "see" the battlefield as a chess game..."see" vulnerable targets, "see" where the enemy is fixated and using good military tactics and strategies...organize people into efficient teams and destroy strategic targets and take strategic areas.  That is just one of the many aspects of the game.

Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest used to call it "git up the skeer" (use the element of surprise--show up in the enemy's rear unexpectedly)..."hit 'em on the ennn" (use a strategic flanking maneuver) and "bring on the big" (bring overwhelming forces to bear on a strategic point).  He didn't invent these tactics---they were around thousands of years before his day---but they all still exist here in Aces High.  We were given the nice gift of using strategy.

This is a nice plus--as opposed to some box-game-sim, where it's you furballing the AI's...or if you get on-line it's you furballing the other furballers.  It gets really boring after awhile, but most box-game-sims do.


Those people who cannot think strategically absolutely, positively HATE anyone who can....and it even gets personal. (No ESP here, but hide behind a bush and watch).







Folks....put away the pitch-forks and just open your eyes for a second....


If you absolutely, positively HATE anyone or anything that isn't a furballer...don't hang out in the main arena!  You will never be happy there. 

If all you enjoy doing is furballing---I suggest wholeheartedly that you go where you will be the happiest....the DUELING ARENA.

No toolshedders....no taking bases....no hoarding.....no bombing.  You can get all "the best fights" and 1v1's you can ever ask for...it will be just like heaven for you.

If you expect strategic players to go hide in a dark garage simply because you don't like how they play--you are sadly mistaken.  All 3 countries do the same things to each other.  It's pretty hypocritical to say someone from the other country is "lame" or "gamey" for how they attack your country---when people on your country are doing the same thing to them.

Hey, I'm just trying to help you find a happier place in the game...you should play however makes you happyIt's your $15 bucks.






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Re: All hail...
« Reply #147 on: January 19, 2009, 05:57:32 PM »
Hurray for relativism..
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Re: All hail...
« Reply #148 on: January 19, 2009, 06:32:15 PM »
I dont really believe that he refered to POTW as a squad synonimous to the overkill missions.  I cant imagine the community putting you in that category ( Ive never seen in the text buffers " NOE 34..its them pesky POTW guys").
IMO..theres nothing wrong with NOE missions..its the ones that have 30+ in them that boggles my mind. With that many #s..why and I mean WHY try to avoid contact at all cost? Second..if you really want that piece of real estate..the mission goes awry..KEEP fighting for it..dont shy away and off to some other base with absolutley no uppers. is it excessive?..YES..these attacks go on all night

POTW is definitely not a squad that should be associated with the so called "horde" mentalility.

Tral is completely correct in criticizing the mission planners that can only take bases using 30+ NOE planes. How much fun is capturing an undefended base with 30 players? No one gets any kills, hell some probably don't even get to drop their bombs. If the mission fails they don't stick with the objective, they simply give up and go to another base. These non-confrontational tactics have created a culture of players who reflect those tactics.

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Re: All hail...
« Reply #149 on: January 19, 2009, 06:41:59 PM »
Repost just for Rox...
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.


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