Me 262 vs Me 262 | Me 262 vs Ar234

[GRUNHERZ]

Seeker nobody went on to develop the 262 design because it was a 1939-1940 airframe, yep thats when work on 262 began. Which 1939 plane was capable of 540mph flight. Or 600mph flight. Which 1939 plane was able to climb 22500fpm reaching an altitde of 27,000feet in 1.2 minutes?

Now we all know what happened to Ta183. This plane was BUILT by the Russians and WAS the basis for Mig15. In fact they built several Ta183s and they arrived at the final Mig15.

The F86 does not use any sort of Me262 wing. However it is a 100% fact that the intial North American F86 was a conventional straight wing design much like the F80. the NA engineeers then added a swept wing design they got from German records/experiments on swept wing technology conducted during WW2. This wing added something like 100mph to the F86 top speed. This made it a useful and competitive plane vs the Mig15 later in Korea. The early F86 wing is nearly a direct copy in wing platform of and use of slats as some Messerschmitt design studies for "1946" LW fighters. Again the use of German swept wing technology is a fact in F86 development, the North American designers freely admit this. I dont see why some diehards on the BBS have trouble with such things now and in the past.

As for LW designs being "duds" please take a look the Bell X5.....

And obviously the P51 and P47 were design duds and stupid designs because nobdy kept refining and developing them after the war...... Right Seeker? Guess what man nobody cared about land based prop fighters anymore.


Now Karnak many of the Metor fanatics wanna compare Meteor to 262. This just isnt a possible comparison. 262 is just so different than Metor in its actual combat use and performance that the two share little in common and should not be compared at all. Thats why they distort.  
And again you show a talent in saying what i mean a lil better than I do it. Meteor is less important in WW2 than the 262.

[Seeker]

If nobody was developing prop designs in the early jet era, then logic dictates the P-51-H, the Bear cat and the Spitefull should all be in AH?

I thought I did mention that the Russians did indeed steal the Ta 183 and fit it with decent (British) engines, but you're right, the 262 was an outmoded design nobody in their right mind would touch when the Meteor was available.

As for the Jug, well, only an American (or a scared Luftwaffel) could ever consider that single engined mud mover a "fighter".

What was the name of that dinky little prop job you boys used in French Indo China?

What did happen to the Fw? People seemd perfectly happy to continue Me109 development post war.

[R4M]

If you call the Avia C-199 (a plane wich was hated by its pilots and had 358mph topspeed), or the Buchon (a modified spanish 109 with worse general performance) 109 "developments", then I dont take your judgement as a good one. They were "adaptations" of existing cells with existing engines, for third rated air forces (or desperately short of planes ones, as the IAF).

I know that your message is a sad and pathetic troll, but Just FYI, I'll tell you why did the 109 saw some ...ahem..."Development"...after WWII.

Czechoslovakia had a couple of factories wich were building 109 airframes, but had no DB engine factories. They had, though a big stock of Jumo-211s, so they put the Ju211 in the 109G airframe. Why?. Because they had no other plane at hand to build and sell.

Spain had a licence for building 109Gs. After WWII and up to the late 50s, Spain was isolated because its fascist regime (franco). So Spain could not get new planes easily. All it was available was the national production of Hispano aero engines and 109 airframes. There was no DB produtcion in spain, so the Buchon was first built with Hispano-suiza engines, and when they became available, with Merlins.

Why wasnt the Fw190 built? because no neutral nation was awarded a licence to build it during the war, and because the production of the airframes were widely dispersed around germany, but not out from it. Czechoslovakia and Spain could build 109 airframes because they had the factories to do it. But no 190 factory was ever located out from Germany. I'm quite sure that the IAF would've loved to have some 190s instead of the toejamty Mezecs during the 1948 war.


Why wasnt the 190 copied by the victorious nation?...why should they do it?. They took the best design features of the 190 and they adopted them into their own designs. The prop plane technology was already a dead end anyway.

Why wasnt the Me262 or the He162 copied?. The Me262 WAS copied by the russians; the americans and British took the best design features of the plane (the wing being the most prominent example) and got them into their own designs. It would be idiotic to say the least to replace their own indigenous projects with a foreign design; it would be not worth the cost. The russians did it, because when the war stopped their jet technology&research was very limited to say the least.

Add to that, the fact that after V-day and until the Korean war,the Western nations went into a major disarmament. Why should they start building a German design?. There were several ground breaking planes to build, including the amazing Go-229 (wich was going to be by far the best thing flying in 1946), yet they didnt do it. The reasons are pretty evident and plain to see, even for someone like you, who doesnt want to see them.