Spit16 takes tater in wing near root, shrugs it off

[moot]

Just a fluke?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7TVIFWAU

[Anaxogoras]

It's happened to me many times.

[doleboy]

[Karnak]

Bug of some sort I'd say given how fragile Spitfire wings always are when I shoot them or get mine shot.

[Messiah]

That happens once in a blue moon for me.  I think it's lag or rubber bullet syndrome.  Another common occurrence is the tater hitting the engine block which sometimes just kills the engine.

*EDIT* oddly enough, after reviewing the film, I didn't see a tater hit the spit16 at all, looked like it was only bb's.

[moot]

I'm a mongolian troll.

Messiah - I saw the hit sprite when it happened.  Taters killing the engine has always been the normal result, as far as I remember. These last few years though, engines will take a couple of seconds to die, which is strange since no oil leak that I've ever experienced was that quick.   

Anyway, this isn't the first time me or someone else has brought this up.  I'm just posting it for reference and probably will post more of em here if they happen.

[Xasthur]

This is the same aircraft/person:

First pass..... If I am not mistaken, resulted in both 20mm and 30mm hits on the wing. The hit sprites certainly suggest that this was so.


This was a matter of seconds later after having manevered in behind the 190.

I had to hammer the absolute bejesus out of it too.


To the game's credit, I aimed poorly and hit the other side of the aircraft on the second dip but it didnt' half take some punishing. I wasted a lot of ammo on that kill.

[splitatom]

that 30 looks like it hit the tail it should have brought it down i also think they have changed some of the damage models because it seems that planes soak up more damage even 109 will take a good 2 burst from hizookas to bring them down

[Stang]

Highly annoying, happened to me a number of times as well.  Unfortunately I rarely film so I've never had the opportunity to send a film of it to HTC.  Much more annoying was having the same thing happen to me with the 37mm in the p-39's.

I wonder what the cause is, since from everything I have learned over the years the server keeps sending hit info to your CPU until you receive it.  Can packet loss get to the point it's so bad that some hits are lost?  Is there another cause?  Who knows, hopefully hitech and pyro can figgure something out from the film.

[Bruv119]

I would love to see the giver and receivers film.   I don't doubt for a second that these screenies show 30mm hits but maybe they get lost in translation, just internet lag?


Although I don't fly tater planes often i've had similair scenarios where I have pasted someone with good hits and seen them fly on with no apparant critical damage from the kind of shots where I know they should be in the tower.   I always put that down to dodgy connection.

[WarTooth]

Sometimes I fly a P47 and set the convergence to the dreaded "big wall of ugly" as I heard some one call it.

I am amazed when at 400 a plane flys through it and not one round hits the plane.    It has happened numerous times.  Not a whine just funny as all.  Kinda like sticking a shotgun against a tin can and none of the shot hitting. 

As others mentioned.  Probably internet lag and other factors involved.  No big whoop.  I'll get'm next time. 

WT

[Anaxogoras]

Here, let me post my own: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mzoww03jmoj

It's not a problem of packet loss; I was even credited with the assist!   I also have a great connection to HTC since I moved to Indiana.  I'm yet to have someone call me out as a warper, and I don't think I've discoed more than two times since August.

It's suspicious that the target aircraft here are either Spits or 190s, because every time I've seen a fighter shrug off a tater it's been a Spit or 190.

[SmokinLoon]

ya know... I'm sure a Spitfire took a 30mm round or two in the real deal and kept flying. 

I sometimes wonder why people make a big deal out about a tool of war not working %100 of the time when in fact... they didnt.  Stop and think just how ofter a soldier got shot and kept going.  Stop and think how many AP rounds a tank (any tank) shrugged off even though it was "inferior" in armor protection.  Stop and think just how much open airspace there is in an airframe and how easily a round can pass through without damaging anything vital.  Sometimes armor actually did its job.  Sometimes the wound isnt enough to stop the soldier.

Now... stop and think as to how often a 30mm hits and doe nothing... it is rare.  So...

Shrug it off to realism or lag and move on to the next taget.  It has happened to us all.    

[Cthulhu]

ya know... I'm sure a Spitfire took a 30mm round or two in the real deal and kept flying. 

I sometimes wonder why people make a big deal out about a tool of war not working %100 of the time when in fact... they didnt.  Stop and think just how ofter a soldier got shot and kept going.  Stop and think how many AP rounds a tank (any tank) shrugged off even though it was "inferior" in armor protection.  Stop and think just how much open airspace there is in an airframe and how easily a round can pass through without damaging anything vital.  Sometimes armor actually did its job.  Sometimes the wound isnt enough to stop the soldier.

Now... stop and think as to how often a 30mm hits and doe nothing... it is rare.  So...

Shrug it off to realism or lag and move on to the next taget.  It has happened to us all.    

The voice of reason.
There are so many variables at play here that it could be anything. Impact angle, stress on the airframe @ time of impact (provided HTC models that), etc. Even when one knows all the parameters, damage tolerance analysis is still somewhat statistical in nature, and sometimes even with a tater, things just don't break like you'd expect.

Kind of reminds me of the time at the Battle of the Bulge when the GI looked up from reloading his bazooka (he was alone) to find himself looking directly down the muzzle of a Tiger II at CLOSE range. Both fired at the same time. He woke up in an aid station minus a large piece of his skull. The Tiger's crew never woke up at all.
Point is... nothing's guaranteed, no matter how big your gun is.

[moot]

As far as I know, a hit is a hit in AH.  I've never seen a dev update mention they'd added shallow hits, or rounds passing thru added to the DM. There's no mitigating effects that I know of, only multipliers.. Stress on airframe, impact velocity, previous damage... So the issue isn't about attitude, it's about something bugging out somewhere in the game or network.  That's why I'm curious.