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P51 wing loading
« on: January 26, 2009, 07:34:19 AM »
Can anyone tell me what the ingame specs are for the wing loading (lb./ft) for the P51D?  :salute
Is there a link to get this info from?
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 07:49:27 AM »
Same as real world? ;)

Wing area is 235ft², and you can see your actual weight at any moment using E6B. Pony D with 50% Fuel = 9368lbs, thus wingloading = 39,86lbs/ft²
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 08:28:17 AM »
Same as real world? ;)

Wing area is 235ft², and you can see your actual weight at any moment using E6B. Pony D with 50% Fuel = 9368lbs, thus wingloading = 39,86lbs/ft²

Just as I suspected   :frown: I have a printout of the performance calculations of the P51D from North American Aviation,Inc. dated 2/6/46 and in comparing HTC P51D to the real one, the differences are stacking up in almost every catagory.

For instance: max rpm is 3000 rpm in real world. Hightechs world..2900. Top speed on the deck without WEP is 355 in RL, HTCs 353

At 13,300 ft 412 in RL...HTCs 411

The speed at 26,200 is the only thing I've seen so far that does match. 435 MPH

The tests I did in the TA were with a lighter fuel load then the NAA printout of 9611 lbs. My tests were done with a weight of 9368 at take off. Also it took me 8.0 minutes to climb to 20K (with wep).
According to NAA it only takes 6.4 minutes.

I've thought for some time that the P51 is not what it used to be in the game. I do believe HTC has porked the P51. Why? I don't know, but it's a real shame we can't have the P51 modeled right.

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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 08:30:16 AM »
Damn pony dweebs  :noid  :lol

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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 08:39:57 AM »

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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 08:44:10 AM »
Top speed on the deck without WEP is 355 in RL, HTCs 353
At 13,300 ft 412 in RL...HTCs 411

Surely you cannot complain about the speeds being 1-2mph off, that's fantastic accuracy.
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 09:04:33 AM »
Do bear in mind the different levels of boost used throught the D series.

The Delta is using early '44 boost levels, isn't it? I'm a luftweenie so I'm not sure but I seem to remember this point coming up in a discussion about the use of C3 fuel for the 109K.
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 09:09:54 AM »
Surely you cannot complain about the speeds being 1-2mph off, that's fantastic accuracy.

Depends how FAT the game thinks you are.. to how fast it flys  :D

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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 09:16:16 AM »
Depends how FAT the game thinks you are.. to how fast it flys  :D


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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 09:47:21 AM »
 :lol ok wise guys  :lol Yes maybe 1 or 2 mph is nit-picking. But I also noticed that at 24,500ft the pony should produce 67" of MP. The game model is only putting out 65" MP. And that costs the pony 2 mph and it 438mph when it should go 440 at that altitude. And it takes 2 sectors to get to that speed.

I'm just asking for the right specs is all. If it takes perking to do that, so be it. I'm all for it. I'd just like to see it the way it used to be modeled. I agree HTC does an outstanding job at getting these planes close to actual performance specs. But I have a suspicion they "dumb down" some models to keep alot of folks out of certain planes to promote the use of only aircraft.

But I got into this game as an alternative to Microsoft Flight Simulator. I wanted a correct flight model to fly. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I don't care what the other planes can or can't do. I just want my chosen ride to do what it was built to do. As I said before, if that means perking then by all means perk it. I'd rather see people not fly it because of the perk cost rather then because it doesn't perform as it should.
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 09:51:55 AM »
No, in AH the top speed of the P-51D on the deck is 365mph.

According to NAA 368mph with wep at sea level and 355mph without wep. I got 353 without wep and 365mph with wep in the TA testing. Again, it's 2 or 3 mph under what it could do in real life conditions.
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 09:52:38 AM »
If you want the real experience...

It will cost you 1,290,000 US dollars.
http://www.flypowerjet.com/view_aero_details.php?RID=154

For 14.95 a month... deal with the 1 mph differences.  :rolleyes:
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 09:53:26 AM »
According to NAA 368mph with wep at sea level and 355mph without wep. I got 353 without wep and 365mph with wep in the TA testing. Again, it's 2 or 3 mph under what it could do in real life conditions.

Crap, I misread the "without WEP," :o but you are splitting hairs.
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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 09:56:37 AM »
If you want the real experience...

It will cost you 1,290,000 US dollars.
http://www.flypowerjet.com/view_aero_details.php?RID=154

For 14.95 a month... deal with the 1 mph differences.  :rolleyes:


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Re: P51 wing loading
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 10:06:48 AM »
I'm not going to get any sympathy in this crusade am I.  :uhoh
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