Proof aircraft polls are bad

[A8TOOL]

Not sure how many times I took it up in tour 107 but I flew it a lot.


122 kills in a spit 9 in tour 107, I killed 8 and was killed by 6 dieing 44 time in one. I like the plane

Spitfire Mk IX    122    8    6    44

EDIT:
This tour I've been liking the f6 and fm2... and Ki-61, c202 since flying them in Roscoroo's event held on Tuesday. Only 56 kills in a 9 this tour

F6F-5    51    11    5    28
FM2    46    2    0    22

[Bubbajj]

Explain to me why we need the 111 again? Slow, underpowered, underarmed, and otherwise completely inept. Will be nothing but cannon fodder. Why would anyone take a 111 when about any other bomber would be way better for the job? Complete waste of time.

[bongaroo]

Explain to me why we need the 111 again? Slow, underpowered, underarmed, and otherwise completely inept. Will be nothing but cannon fodder. Why would anyone take a 111 when about any other bomber would be way better for the job? Complete waste of time.

Because most of us realize that there aren't many more "uber" rides left to model that don't already have multiple equilivalent rides already modeled.

A lot of us are now looking forward to the holes in the plane set to be filled so we can enjoy more FSO and scenario setups.

I don't know you in game but if you weren't in the top rankings of some category we could say the same comments about your flying...

[Larry]

Explain to me why we need the 111 again? Slow, underpowered, underarmed, and otherwise completely inept. Will be nothing but cannon fodder. Why would anyone take a 111 when about any other bomber would be way better for the job? Complete waste of time.

For one we need it for BoB scenarios. Second some of us like to fly planes that aren't the best of the best.

[BnZs]

BnZs just knows that I enjoy his cynical, cheap shots.

Anyway, I don't think the masses are dumb, far from it.  On the other hand, you might get me to admit that the majority here exhibit the natural human tendency to favor their own side's equipment, even if that means not having very diverse opposition.

If I were designing my own sim, I'd go for a perfect representation of every plane in operation on the Western Front on October 17, 1944 at 10:30 A.M. When that task was done, I'd flip a coin to decide whether I was going to now move on to the 16th or the 18th. If there were say two Bf-109 G-6/AS variations in operation, the difference being the optional cupholder, I'd want to model them both.  That is my taste. Since all of this is occurring in my imagination, I do not have to appeal to the masses or otherwise endeavor to make money on the project. 

[MORAY37]

Yikes!  Can't tell where I got those Late War stats from - odd, since I got it right for the other two arenas.

My point still stands, I think.  No new plane is likely to compete with the Spit-P-51D-La7-Nik crowd after the initial love affair.  Had the Yak 3 or G55 been selected, I don't expect that their usage would be much different from the P-39's.

- oldman

You kidding?  Yeah, nobody would want to fly the G.55 series 1..... around 400MPH level, with 3x20mm cannon and 2x 12.7 mg's, with time to climb (23,000 feet) in eight minutes.  Handled better than all contemporary Luftwaffe aircraft, and was slated for production in GERMANY over the 109 series.  (It didn't go into production in Germany due to the calculated higher man hours to produce per copy (15,000 for G.55 versus 5,000 for a 109 G-6)  It was in squadron service in Italy from 1943. The engine from it ended up in the late model TA-152. 

The tests began 20 February 1943. The German commission was very impressed by the Italian aircraft, the G.55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5 fighters were very good at low altitudes, but the G.55 was also competitive with its German opponents in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G.55, "good" for the Re.2005 and "average" for the C.205. Oberst Petersen defined the G.55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on 22 February 1943 voted to produce the G.55 in Germany.

No, no one would still be flying it.

Instead we vote the P-39 in, a plane that was completely obsolete except for its' gun, at the start of the war..... I hope someday soon we finish the entire American WW2 set, so we can get about the business of actually having a world "set" of aircraft.  I feel until that happens, we won't see any other country's planes. 

The He-111 and G.55 should have been the selections from last vote. 

[AWwrgwy]

Explain to me why we need the 111 again? Slow, underpowered, underarmed, and otherwise completely inept. Will be nothing but cannon fodder. Why would anyone take a 111 when about any other bomber would be way better for the job? Complete waste of time.

Underarmed and underpowered describes all German bombers.  Are you suggesting there be no German bombers?


wrongway

[Bubbajj]

I say we have enough bombers of all sorts. No more needed.

[Larry]

I say we have enough bombers of all sorts. No more needed.

wow

[Shifty]

The He-111 and G.55 should have been the selections from last vote.

Since HTC setup and sponsered the vote and the voters selected the B-25 and P-39.
The planes that should have won... DID.

[Anaxogoras]

You kidding?  Yeah, nobody would want to fly the G.55 series 1..... around 400MPH level

That seems to be an overestimation.  Most sources quote about 387mph as the top speed for the G.55 at ~22000 feet (like the 109G-6, but slower).  What the G.55 was praised for, however, was its high altitude performance and handling: it had a service ceiling of ~42,000 ft.

[Motherland]

The G.55 is not a scenario plane. It was a very low production model... Italy's last ditch effort. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful aircraft, and I'd love to fly it, but the G.50, CR42 etc. are bigger holes in our Regia Aeronautica planeset.

[Bubbajj]

The French had fighters too. They should be popular with the runtard set.

[Bronk]

The He-111 and G.55 should have been the selections from last vote.

Since HTC setup and sponsered the vote and the voters selected the B-25 and P-39.
The planes that should have won... DID.

Recount  I'm guessing Moray is looking for hanging chads.

[streakeagle]

How are these polls broken?
People vote for whatever they want not what is needed or even what they will fly.
So, really, this post is all about whining because the majority of people want something other than what a minority wants or "needs".
Of course, I put "needs" in quotes because no one "needs" a combat flight sim game as opposed to food and water.
The amount of flight time any new aircraft will get is a poor argument since the most popular aircraft have long been available and most people will fly these aircraft over any new aircraft aside from the initial release when people might try the newest plane just to see what it is like.
Since this is a business, HTC should probably release aircraft based on keeping the majority of their customers happy.
The fact that HTC conducted a poll at all shows that is exactly what they are trying to do.
Of course the poll reveals that the majority want to complete the American planeset without regard for historical scenarios or international planeset balance.
This should not be surprising if the majority of players are from the United States.
I personally don't get that much time to play anymore, but remain a subscriber to further HTC's development.
I don't care what plane they add, as long as they keep adding planes.
If they could get their plane development rate back up to where it was before resources were sucked dry by the Combat Tour thing, nobody would need to whine at all since the planeset would be filled in fairly quickly.
Of course, the standards for planes, cockpits, and textures are higher than they once were, so development time is going to be slower and they still need to get the entire AH1 planeset up to the standards of AH2... but surely the release rate will increase significantly compared to what it has been since the release of AH2 and the beginning of Combat Tour development.