too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.

[RTHolmes]

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That guy? 

genius

[33Vortex]

Yeah I agree with Holmes definition of the 'pick'.

[Murdr]

I suspect the only reason the AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers. Personally if I get picked (my defn) its my SA thats the problem, not the guy who used his advantage.

AH didn't add "engaged con".  AW was the grandaddy of this genre of game (HiTech and Pyro were players of it) and picking as it applies to AW/WB/AH has always been attacking a con already engaged.  Hence with a 20+ year record of it's use, I'm not (and neither is the OP) willing to conceed some kind of "your definition", "my definition" equivelency.  It's no contest, the established convention superceeds.

[VonMessa]

I do pick 









Just had the urge to confess.

Is there a support group I can join?

[33Vortex]

Is there a support group I can join?

You're already in it, dumbarse. 

[VonMessa]

Why the hell aren't I notofied about these things?

[RTHolmes]

I suspect the only reason the AW/WB/AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers.

ty, fixed

[Steve]

I'd call that a pick,

You'd be wrong.

[AWwrgwy]

my apologies Murdr, when you posted:
... I naively assumed you agreed with that definition, rather than a different definition, which you didnt either post or link to 


ok, I'm in a decent BnZer at 12k, and see 6x LA7s level at 320ish, and maneuvering because theyve seen me, and 1x P40 on autoclimb at 160ish, all at 8k. I roll in on the P40's six and blow him out of the sky before he even notices me and return to my perch. I'd call that a pick, you wouldn't.

I suspect the only reason the AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers. Personally if I get picked (my defn) its my SA thats the problem, not the guy who used his advantage.


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And one guy kicks rudder, or noses up or down, and shoots as he passes?   HO or not, on initial merge?     


wrongway

[pluck]

Things that strike me about the HO comments and the Pick comments are ill recieved they are.

If you HO someone...and they call you a HO'er.....what else would you be?
Same with Picking....if you pick some one, and they say "nice pick"....well you did pick them.

Most comments are from frustration from the victim...It's a total buzz kill when you're having a good fight...but it is the MA.  On the other side, if people are going to get bent out of shape about being being called by what they just did, then mabye they shouldn't do it.  If you HO someone, or pick someone, and they say "nice HO/pick" and you did, say thanks and move on.  If someone says that is all "you" do, then that is just their experience.  If you take offense, don't blame the people who are getting picked and HO'd.  In terms of "who is better," there is nothing to be determined, if that is what some worry about.  There is no real need to go on about trying to justify these actions, they are what they are.  They may be performed for any number of reasons, but at the end of the day, a pick is a pick.  Neither takes a whole lot of skill, but HO's have there time and place, and picking is probably the most common acitivity in the MA.  

[VonMessa]

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And one guy kicks rudder, or noses up or down, and shoots as he passes?   HO or not, on initial merge?     


wrongway

Ballet?

What if I do all of the above, except shoot, and flip you the bird when we pass, instead?

Is it a HO?

[33Vortex]

I believe furballing is the most common activity in the MA. Just my opinion of it I'm not trying to change yours, but I see that much more than I see "picking", which is a opportunity kill. However, little skill may be required to pick someone, but it is a free opportunity on a guy who is oblivious to what is going on. So at least you're showing more skill than the guy being picked, because it is very easy to avoid a pick if you see it coming.

Just another €0.02 in.

[VonMessa]

All these extra Euros............

Can I have a few?

[Murdr]

ty, fixed

Fixed eh?  You didn't even know the history of the term in this context, but assume to be knowledgable enough to critique, and eminent enough to invalidate the existing definition.  By all means, your free to call a thimble a cherry pick if you wish, but don't presume that everyone else that has been doing this for years has to accept your definition.

[pluck]

I believe furballing is the most common activity in the MA. Just my opinion of it I'm not trying to change yours, but I see that much more than I see "picking", which is a opportunity kill. However, little skill may be required to pick someone, but it is a free opportunity on a guy who is oblivious to what is going on. So at least you're showing more skill than the guy being picked, because it is very easy to avoid a pick if you see it coming.

Just another €0.02 in.

Well, just going by the definition of "picking" I was assuming that you could get picked in a furball as easily as a mission.  Not trying to say it is most common for people to up and look to pick as a primary objective, though certainly people do.  For the most part, If someone wants my help during a fight, I'll help them.  If I'm at the bottom of a true furball, then I'll just shoot.  Just saying, picking is very common, everyone does it, some more than others.  SA is a skill, but your ablility to fly your cartoon airplane is also a skill...you need both.  It's hard to say if a person who got picked is a less skillful pixel flyer.  The pilot may have seen you, just wanted to kill the other...maybe he thought he could get him in time.  Maybe many other planes around, missed yours.  Maybe one pilot has great SA, but very poor ACM, or vice versa.  Also it would have to involve how many planes the "picker" is tracking as well...much easier if 10 friendlies and one bad guy.   I'm not trying to influence how people fly, but that people should accept what happened.  If you get picked, you get picked.  Not much to brag about, and not much to complain about....you (a generic you) just shot someone who didn't see you, or failed to act.  Just seems to me very difficult to determine ability from such an encounter, hence many just kind of right them off on both ends.