Author Topic: Ostwind pestilence (Read 644 times)

Jochen · « **on:** January 11, 2001, 04:13:00 AM »

Ok, something must be done with these critters. Whenever there is discussion about AH, Ostwind (also in lesser degree PzKw IV) and its huge kill total comes up and I agree with them, it is out of whack.

Very few Ostwinds were produced, I think something like 40-50. Yet here they rack up kills in so great numbers it is in top 3 of killers.

Ok, we have now way to limit plane or vehicle use so lets use it. Perk Ostwind. If one wants to defend base from ground he can take M-16 or spend some perk points to get Ostwind.

If nothing else, limit the number of rounds carried by Ostwind. 900 pieces of 37 mm rounds take huge amount of room and I suspect that that many rounds were carried by units in the field. Barrel heating would be nice too but I don't hold my breath for it.

Alongside F4U-1C, Ostwind is propably the runner up for position of most ahistorically used unit in AH. I hope something could be done for it.

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flakbait · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2001, 06:16:00 AM »

Actually from what I've read, the Ostwind (40 made) only carried 428 rounds. We've got just over double the normal ammo load available.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2001, 07:31:00 AM »

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Originally posted by flakbait:
Actually from what I've read, the Ostwind (40 made) only carried 428 rounds. We've got just over double the normal ammo load available.

The source I have for it shows 1000 rounds. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/flak4.htm

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2001, 07:32:00 AM »

As a matter of fact, sincethe C-Hog is hitting the Perk list, I think it wise to place the C-Hog on that list as well, since one was the nemesis to the other, and visa versa. It will bring back the popularity of the M16, and if you want an upgrade, then you have to spend perk points on it.

Jochen · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2001, 07:52:00 AM »

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As a matter of fact, sincethe C-Hog is hitting the Perk list, I think it wise to place the C-Hog on that list as well, since one was the nemesis to the other, and visa versa.

You must mean perking Ostwind because F4U-1C gets perked?

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It will bring back the popularity of the M16, and if you want an upgrade, then you have to spend perk points on it.

Yep, ain't perk points wonderful?

Perking F4U-1C and Ostwind might cause rise on Typhoon and M-16 numbers which is good for arena diversity.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2001, 07:59:00 AM »

Jochen:"You must mean perking Ostwind because F4U-1C gets perked?"

Well, not for the sake of the C-Hog getting perked in a sense, but since the C-Hog was usually the answer for a field full of Osties. Now that the C-Hog will be perked, its likely the Tiffie will be used to tame the Osties. Just seems to me that something this powerful should be perked if its 'balancer' A/C is perked. Like I mentioned,though, even if the OST stays as non-perked, we have the tiffy (and bombs from other A/C) to deal with it quickly.

Staga · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »

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Sunchaser · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2001, 08:15:00 AM »

This one does not need perking, it needs removal.

At the very minimum the kevlar body suits and headgear worn by the crew should be removed.

These things introduced a fantasy level to AH that is even more ridiculous than the C-hog.

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Jochen · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »

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Jochen sulta puuttuu yksi kirjain sigistä

Uuuuuuuups! No, nyt se on fixattu

I agree with sunchaser, Ostwind makes AH look more like airborne quake than it really is...

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SOB · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2001, 09:37:00 AM »

Bah, it's a great deturrent to easy field captures...it makes you actually get a little organized and make sure that the VH is down before you start mucking around with the rest of the field. Just because it's powerful it's "Quakish"...nonsense.

I do agree that it sure seems too hard to kill the thing from a top-down attack with just guns. With the open top the way it is, coming down with any aircraft's ammunition should put the turret out of action if you hit it with a good short burst. Despite this, I've never been able to kill it in a verticle attack with guns, even when the dirty thing wasn't firing back at me. This leads me to three possibilities. Either it's too hard to kill the gunner with just guns...Or, my aim has been off whenever I was still alive after my attack & able to get a kill message (I certainly don't discount this possibility

)...Or, there's another possibility that I haven't even thought of

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SOB

CptTrips · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2001, 10:22:00 AM »

If I was running the show?

I'd keep it but remove external views and remove gunsight zoom. Add recoil effect.

That should tame it enough to leave it in the mix.

$0.02 ... I'll bill ya.

Wab

Jochen · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2001, 10:23:00 AM »

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Bah, it's a great deturrent to easy field captures...it makes you actually get a little organized and make sure that the VH is down before you start mucking around with the rest of the field. Just because it's powerful it's "Quakish"...nonsense.

Ok, by that logic we could have arena absolutely full of Ta 152's depsite the fact that only small number was produced and throwing any resemblance of real war out of the window.

Ostwind is now far too common compared to its wartime use.

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Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2001, 10:56:00 AM »

...and fighters didn't kamikaze against flaks like they do in AH

Tac · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »

I find it easier to shoot down planes in an M-16 than an ostwind. The low refire rate on the ostie means you will miss a lot. M16 on the other hand, will get you some nice hits.

Range and damage inflicted however, do go to the Ostwind... and the fact that it cant be killed by strafing planes (except chogs and n1ks).

But yes, Ostie perked would be good... a cheap perk, just like the chog would be fair.

SOB · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Jochen:
Ostwind is now far too common compared to its wartime use.

And this is important why? It's not like you see them up by the hundreds.

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throwing any resemblance of real war out of the window.

So, having 10 flakpanzers on a field firing at you makes it look less like real war? What does dropping 10 paratroopers on an airfield to capture it look like?

Regardless of any of this, I could really care less about the numbers either way. More or less Ostwinds wouldn't dull my enjoyment, especially since there's still the M16. I just hate the term "Quakish" being applied to anything someone doesn't like in the game.

SOB

BTW...Which Niki have you been flying Tac? I've never been able to strafe a Panzer or an Osty dead...I'd be willing to go as far as saying that it's impossible to kill a Panzer with a Nik. (if you can make me eat my words by telling me how to do it, I'd appreciate it!)

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