Ostwind pestilence

[whels1]

sad day in a sim when u tell someone they cant fly the plane they want to because its TOO  popular.  perk sys was developed so they could introduce planes like a TA 152 or D9 or P51H ect... without it unbalancing play
with its preformance(not popularity).

im a ACM flier, i dont  spray n pray, and i Dont HO shoot unless the enemy shoots HO 1st. if i kill u with a Chog, u better believe u would be ded no matter the plnae i was in, cause i out flew u and hit u and no matter the guns u woulda died, u just died faster with bigger bullets.

other planes better go on the list due to popularity like the chog might be doing, or
the sim will become a farse with the perk sys.

bty ive flown the Chog maybe 4 times this camp, if u see me in a F4, its a Dhog.planes of choise this camp, Dhog, F6, 109 f4 and g6, and tbm.

whels
 

Originally posted by Jochen:
Ok, something must be done with these critters. Whenever there is discussion about AH, Ostwind (also in lesser degree PzKw IV) and its huge kill total comes up and I agree with them, it is out of whack.

Very few Ostwinds were produced, I think something like 40-50. Yet here they rack up kills in so great numbers it is in top 3 of killers.

Ok, we have now way to limit plane or vehicle use so lets use it. Perk Ostwind. If one wants to defend base from ground he can take M-16 or spend some perk points to get Ostwind.

If nothing else, limit the number of rounds carried by Ostwind. 900 pieces of 37 mm rounds take huge amount of room and I suspect that that many rounds were carried by units in the field. Barrel heating would be nice too but I don't hold my breath for it.

Alongside F4U-1C, Ostwind is propably the runner up for position of most ahistorically used unit in AH. I hope something could be done for it.

[Toad]

"Ole Dale HiTech had a game

E-I-E-I Oh!

Now in this game there was a C-Hog

E-I-E-I Oh!

and it had big guns so it was unfair

E-I-E-E Oh!

Oh, a perk-perk here and a perk-perk there..

Here a perk there a perk

everywhere a perk-perk

Ole Dale HiTech had a game

E-I-E-E Oh!

Now in this game there was an Osty

E-I-E-E Oh!

It had a big gun and killed real well

E-I-E-E Oh!

Oh, a perk-perk here and a perk-perk there..

Here a perk there a perk

everywhere a perk-perk

Ole Dale HiTech had a game

E-I-E-E Oh!"

Write all the verses you like; this song will never end.  

[john9001]

From the the posts it sounds like non of you
have maned a osty to defend a field. It is very easy to have the GUN knocked out of action and still be able to drive and rotate
the turent, and the gun can be put out of action w/mg's. Some times when the gun is out
and VH down, i drive around the field to draw
fire and hope someone augares trying to shoot me. The sound of your mg's on the hull is like rain on a tin roof
44MAG

[Maverick]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
...and fighters didn't kamikaze against flaks like they do in AH

You never saw the gun camera footage of P47's strafing flak towers at LW airfields??


Seriously, the osty has done as much to unbalance the game as the chog has.

Mav

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Maverick:

You never saw the gun camera footage of P47's strafing flak towers at LW airfields??


Seriously, the osty has done as much to unbalance the game as the chog has.

Mav

I bet that Ostwind has been better camouflaged in the terrain than flak towers  

1. Ostwind moves and can hide almost anywhere it wants to
2. Flak towers doesnt move - once they've been located, and I doubt those will be found from every corner of worthless potato fields, those will be easier targets...

Only unbalance I think that ostwind has brought, has been recent version building strafes, which made whole thing ridicilous (although, Chogs did this same thing quite well too)
I hope its better in 1.05, havent tried it yet..

but balancing, well, if those are given up from their 2000 yards anti-tank role and field busting, those would more likely be pepper in a soup.
They don't come to you, like Chogs and you can also avoid those easier than chogs...
those are also easy to kill, if you're teamworking *hint* (and how many does proper teamwork in AH main arena? bleah...)

of course this gunnery system in AH makes hitting for both sides alot easier and theres unlimited practice.


...but well, why don't we squeak about fleets and PT-boats? those has like ten times armament of ostwind.. and german or russian side doesnt even have any use for navy so far. (and japs are forced to use US fleet..  )

[Pongo]

There is definate confusion about how much ammo the Ost could hold. I have one ref that says 1000. But the mobel wagon (same chassis gun on top with drop down gun shields) only had 450 or so. 1000 seems too much, but there are references that say that.

[Jimdandy]

A substitute for the Osti might be the SdKfz10 (halftrack) with the 20mm Flack 30. There were a lot of them made in many variations. It would be fun to have the version with the 37mm AT gun on it (and not uncommon). Some speed (40mph)added to the AT duels. Total production was around 17,000 of all types. We might be seeing a trend on AH. We seem to have more people on since 1.05 came out. The season might also be playing a big part. Any way, with more people we're going to see a greater variety of playing style. Some of the vehicles may end up proving a little out of balance because there are more people interested in using them. The F4U-C is getting all the attention now but as the numbers increase GV's may begin to sway things a bit.

[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 01-11-2001).]

[jihad]

 Apparently you've forgotten the pre-Ostwind days.

 The M-16 provided little defense for any players who wanted to run ground ops.    

 Players in tanks became fish in the barrel when they were located. The Ostwind provides a reasonable defense but is easily killed if you use good tactics. (teamwork)

 The Ostwind ground assault capability has been reined in by HTC changing the damage values of structures and the new map.

[Luke Skywalker]

I can't agree, jihad

Yesterday FunkedUp and I were straffing a V-field both of us in Typhoons. An Ostwind spawned just as I was making a straffing pass; I atracted his fire while he got the concentrated attention of Funked's 4 Hispanos for at least a 5 second burst.

The ostie was inmaculate. Seemed that nothing had touched it.

Sorry but while I can agree that the Ostwind is good for land operations, I must note that the current damage model of the vehicle is, at its best, lacking. Such a burst maybe wont destroy the vehicle. But the turret, and gun would have been destroyed, and the AA-gun gunners would have made (in funked's words    )great hamburgers.

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[This message has been edited by Luke Skywalker (edited 01-11-2001).]

[Jimdandy]

 

Originally posted by jihad:
Apparently you've forgotten the pre-Ostwind days.

 The M-16 provided little defense for any players who wanted to run ground ops.    

 Players in tanks became fish in the barrel when they were located. The Ostwind provides a reasonable defense but is easily killed if you use good tactics. (teamwork)

 The Ostwind ground assault capability has been reined in by HTC changing the damage values of structures and the new map.

I have totally forgotten the preosti days. I wasn't even here. But thanks for the info.

[Jochen]

 

Apparently you've forgotten the pre-Ostwind days.

No I haven't!

 

The M-16 provided little defense for any players who wanted to run ground ops.

That is just historical.

 

Players in tanks became fish in the barrel when they were located. The Ostwind provides a reasonable defense but is easily killed if you use good tactics. (teamwork)

This might be news for you but Wehrmacht tanks were slaughtered in Normandy -44 because they didn't have any air cover, allied jabos hunted them intensively and Wehrmacht could only move at nights. This despite good flak coverage.

I think there is no account in history of warfare where groundtroops have been able to defend themselves alone against air power.

I'm not saying remove Ostwind, I just want it to appear in smaller numbers.

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[Pongo]

But the prototype for the Wirblewind,just a quad flak  jury rigged on to a recovered panzer IV  chassis shot down 25 planes in normandy. Now the overall campaign of course was a failure of german air defence but many individual actions would have ended with the allied air cover driven off.
The ost wind is far too tough. Turrent hits from a Panzer IV still wont kill it. Before more tanks are introduced to AH a more rational damage model will be needed for tanks in general.

[SKurj]

 

Originally posted by whels1:
sad day in a sim when u tell someone they cant fly the plane they want to because its TOO  popular.  perk sys was developed so they could introduce planes like a TA 152 or D9 or P51H ect... without it unbalancing play
with its preformance(not popularity).

im a ACM flier, i dont  spray n pray, and i Dont HO shoot unless the enemy shoots HO 1st. if i kill u with a Chog, u better believe u would be ded no matter the plnae i was in, cause i out flew u and hit u and no matter the guns u woulda died, u just died faster with bigger bullets.

other planes better go on the list due to popularity like the chog might be doing, or
the sim will become a farse with the perk sys.

bty ive flown the Chog maybe 4 times this camp, if u see me in a F4, its a Dhog.planes of choise this camp, Dhog, F6, 109 f4 and g6, and tbm.

whels
 

Heya Whels1

The popularity of the ride will also indicate imbalance.  Say they add the spit XIV and make it non perk, which plane do you think would be most popular?  The popularity of the ride is probably one of the most convincing arguements of imbalance, as well as its stats.

AKskurj