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Offline Sincraft

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What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« on: February 07, 2009, 11:56:45 AM »
Just wondering what folks here prefer for their conv.

I'm experimenting and seem to like to stagger slightly my conv on 50cal starting at around 500 and bringing it in staggered.

I read somewhere that this is better due to more ammo and a variaty of reasons.  Getting a guy to turn,  pot shots, fly throughs etc.

Ive been having some luck with it.  Watching things rip apart from distances that I just didn't see myself hitting on the screen so.

BUT with cannons, I tend to want them concentrated with the mg's, and try to keep it at around 300 unless it's nose mounted.  The farther the better in the nose rounds (cannon or mg) for me also.

Whenever I get really close with cannons, like say 20-100 feet away, they don't seem as effective...why is this?
  ALL damage seems to be POURING onto one part of a plane.  Whereas, a slight distance further and the planes burst. 

I used to get alot of planes flaming or exploding, now it seems all I do is rip off wings. :(

At any rate.  Just wondering what is the 'rule of thumb' or what some prefer. 

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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 12:19:55 PM »
What kind of cannons?  Are they in the wings or center-mounted?
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 12:20:09 PM »
Depends on the plane, but for my main ride(the A6M) I go 200yrds for the cannons and 400yrds for the cowling.
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 12:21:30 PM »
What kind of cannons?  Are they in the wings or center-mounted?

Wings.  Center I always take to the max unless wing cannons are also present then I extend the center 200 past the wingies

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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 12:34:15 PM »
And what kind of cannons?  That ballistics can make a huge difference.  For example, with Hispanos I might go out to 400 yards (Typhoon), but with the Ho-105 I bring it in to 250.

I extend the center 200 past the wingies

Doing that will cause your cannons to converge well below your center-mounted weapons.  Why would you do that?
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 01:07:55 PM »
I have expwerimented for quite along time with convergence ranges. Many different ranges, according to kind of weapon, where they are mounted, if I would use a particular plane more for dogfighting or buff hunting. I used long convergence ranges, short convergence ranges, staggered patterns on 47's...

But as I do kinda everything in this game and usually fly a huge number of very different planes, I have finally settled to a very simple pattern:

All weapons in all planes: convergence range 350

Exeption: Me 262 - 1 pair convergence 650, one pair convergence 250. Giving me a maximum shotgun effect for enhanced hit probability at high speed off angle snapshots, as one hit is usually devastating

Browning .303 planes (Hurri 1, Spit 1): convergence 250

That's all.
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 01:20:18 PM »
I have expwerimented for quite along time with convergence ranges. Many different ranges, according to kind of weapon, where they are mounted, if I would use a particular plane more for dogfighting or buff hunting. I used long convergence ranges, short convergence ranges, staggered patterns on 47's...

But as I do kinda everything in this game and usually fly a huge number of planes, I have finally settled to a very simple pattern:

All weapons in all planes: convergence range 350

Exeption: Me 262 - 1 paor convergence 650, one pair convergence 250. Giving me a maximum shotgun effect for enhanced hit probability at high speed off angle snapshots, as one hit is usually devastating

Browning .303 planes (Hurri 1, Spit 1): convergence 250

That's all.


Wow...you've never mentioned this...but it is exactly how i do it.

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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 02:00:34 PM »

Wow...you've never mentioned this...but it is exactly how i do it.

Great minds DO think alike  ;)
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 05:30:19 PM »
I seem to have more luck with my convergence set to around 300 than 400 or 200.
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 07:36:57 AM »
For anything with cannons its hard to be convergience in the 300 - 350 range.

You really don't want to push it out beyond that for several reasons.

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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 09:23:18 AM »
I too have begun to set all of my convergence regardless of the position of the mounting at the same interval with few exceptions.

>350yds for air to air (1v1)

>500 for bomber hunting (190x, P47x, 109x)

>500 for ground attack vs OBJ

>300 for the big bore guns on the Hurri IID and IL-2 AT guns vs gv's.

So when I am in an engagement during a particular mission, I can always expect to hit + or - a certain distance away.  I ALWAYS put each gun at the same distance, with exception to the Me262.  I put one at 500 and the other at 300 and yse each based on range. 
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 09:27:44 AM »


>300 for the big bore guns on the Hurri IID and IL-2 AT guns vs gv's.


For better affect with the 2d pull convergence to 250. The gun is relatively low velocity and needs a closer convergence.
I have the 37 mm on the IL-2 set to 400 as it doesn't suffer from low muzzle velocity.
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 09:51:29 AM »
For better affect with the 2d pull convergence to 250. The gun is relatively low velocity and needs a closer convergence.
I have the 37 mm on the IL-2 set to 400 as it doesn't suffer from low muzzle velocity.

The Vickers 40mm gun has a muzzle velocity of 991 meters/second.  That's more than a 100m/s faster than a .50cal Browning.
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 10:04:06 AM »
The Vickers 40mm gun has a muzzle velocity of 991 meters/second.  That's more than a 100m/s faster than a .50cal Browning.
IIRC the wing mounted Vickers differs from the ground gun.

Edit: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/37-40mm.htm and here http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
40mm Class S  615 or 570 MPS
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NS-37    880 mps
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Re: What CONV do you prefer for cannons?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 10:23:30 AM »
Yeah, you seem to be right about that!  The first time I looked it up it must've been specs for a non-aircraft version.
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