He-162 It did See Combat!,Possable Perk?

[brady]

  p.25 Wings of The Luftwaffe by Capt. Eric Brown.
 "The aircraft had excellent directional snacking characteristics,making it a good gun platform. From this aspect it was the best jet fighter of it's time, and I was certainly in a position to judge, having flown every jet aircraft then in existence"

 p.24
  "it was evident that the Germans had got the original stability problems licked"

 p.25
  "very touchy ruder"

 p.26
  "phenomenal role rate"

 p.26
  "delightful little fighter"

 p.26
  "it was like all German jet's a superb airplane"

 p.26
  " I had never met better flying controls yet they could be so easily mishandled"

 p.26 "I will always recall the He-162 with affection"


         Brady


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[brady]

 Well folks would u rather have a Me 262 or a He 162, the He 162 would Handel better, be smaller, and would be easier to use gun wise, and it is biodegradable.

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[Sturm]

The He 162 would Handle better, be smaller, and would be easier to use gun wise, and it is biodegradable.  from bradys5 ROFL, hey aren't you suppose to be at work?  Anyway the nose heavy variant the A-1 was solved with the removal of the Mk 108's and replaced with the MG 151's in the A-2.  Also additional work was done for manuevering.  Read reports though of turning where jet exhausts would jam the rudder.  Why perk it follow behind one and he is bound to crash/lawndart.  Besides low ammo loadout wont attract many to it that are looking to boost stats.  250 rounds is not a lot of ammo.  No perk for it please, but the 410 should be added first    If you have the fuel follow the 234 to his runway they take forever to slow down, and have a high landing speed.  Stay out of ack and you can nab one.  same goes for the 162 if added.  Landing and take offs they are very vulnerable.      

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[J_A_B]

Who the hell cares if it saw combat?

Who cares if more than a handfull were built?

Who cares what country it flew for?

The nice thing about a computer game is we can play out the "what-ifs" and "why nots".  We can also re-live history.  Why limit ourselves in what we can do?  Why limit ourselves to what the competition already offers?  Why not do something new?

It isn't like the MA is very "Realistic" to begin with!

I say if it is a WW2-era airplane, it's fair game to add to AH.  The only criteria worth using is how well it fits in with the rest of the planeset performance-wise.  If it's interesting and the data exists to model it, then add it  


J_A_B

[Toad]

*JAPAN*

A6M5b
N1K2-J

*ITALY*

C.202
C.205

*USSR*

La-5FN
La-7
Yak-9T
Yak-9U

*GREAT BRITAIN*

Seafire IIC
Spitfire MkIX
Spitfire V
Tempest V
Typhoon
Lancaster III

*GERMANY*
Ar 234B
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ju 88A-4
Ta 152H

*USA*

P-38L
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P51D Mustang
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F6F-5
TBM-3
B-17G
B-26B
C-47A

[brady]

 Toad, I see your point believe me I see your point and I have lobbied for more stuff for the deprived countries myself, and this truly is what I feel is more deserving of HTC's attention than more US or German stuff.
 My only point in the above passage is that if we are to get a German jet fighter I would rather see the he 162 because I think it would be more useful in the Ma than the Me 262, do to it's better handling traits and the MG 151/20 armament.

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[Animal]

If I'm not wrong, it only had one 30mm cannon?

[funked]

One problem with the He 162 is endurance.  With the Main Arena fuel multiplier, you would only have fuel for about 15 minutes of flight.

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Animal:
If I'm not wrong, it only had one 30mm cannon?

You are wrong   the 162 was issued to be armed with two Mk108 30mms on the wing roots, on the same place the 20mm were later fitted. HOwever some troubles messed in, and it almost all were fitted with all MG151/20s. Still, the RLM issued an order to arm all the planes with 30mm cannons as soon as it was possible.

[brady]

 He 162 had 2 MG 151/20mm, some early He 162 had 2 30mm MK 108's but these were to much for the airframe, so they switched to the 20's.

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[jato757]

HE 162a-2 3./jagdgeschwader 1 leck, may 1945, armed with 2 20 mm mg 151 cannons 120 rounds each btw the wings were made of wood, it was said that students could go from gliders to this plane with little adjustment, with the actseption of a whole lot more power    

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[Sturm]

You say it would have a low endurance that is not quite true, it had exceptional endurance for a german jet, the 262 range is 650 miles which is not all that bad.  The 162 could go full power for 30-45 minutes at sea level,thats not to shabby.  Only problem is nothing could shoot it down or catch it, only buff gunners would have a chance or ack.  If people used them as dog fighters well yes you would see kills then, I guarantee most deaths would be compression or lawn darting.

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[GRUNHERZ]

Im not comfortable with it in AH, it saw far too little, well toejam almost no use in the war,what 1 kill?? No prototype what if in AH, dont we want to fight WW2 here?

If not I want my F-86 and Mig-15 cuz Mig Alley sucked big time for me.  

[Karnak]

IMHO, the only thing fair to all sides involved is to say that it is fair game if ANY production models were produced during the war.

Using combat as the guiding factor unfairly favors the Axis because they were throwing anything and everything into combat while the Allies could extensively test new equipment far from enemy forces.

Using production as the guiding factor unfairly favors the Allies because their factories had not been bombed, their supplies had not been cut off while the Axis was suffering all of those things.

There were production He162s, so it is, in my opinion, a valid aircraft.

Other examples that I consider valid:

A7M2
Spitfire F.Mk.21
P-51H
Meteor MkIII
F7F
F8F
Do335

Obviously all of these would be perk planes.

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-Karnak

[-aper-]

He-162 is boring. (this tricky to fly and useless fighter needed 1,5 km runway for take off)

The only one really interesting perk plane I would like to see in AH is Do-335. Should be VERY perk though...