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Offline Unit791

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« on: February 11, 2009, 02:35:31 PM »
Well I know this is mainly what draws people to the F4F and FM2, but its manuverability seems quite historically inaccurate.  I seriously doubt that it could ever turn that good in real life.  My wish, please make this plane more historically accurate.
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Offline Saxman

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Re: F4F
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 02:45:18 PM »
Oy.

The F4F has earned a seriously bad rap it does NOT deserve entirely because she's not conisdered in the proper context. Please keep in mind that the F4F was predominantly flying against one of the most agile aircraft of the war. Had the F4F been measured up against the 109 instead we'd probably have a much, MUCH different picture today. In fact from the handful of encounters between the Wildcat and German iron (Operation Torch, FAA Martlets in the channel and North Sea, etc) I've been able to find, the Germans had a pretty good opinion of the F4F (one pilot in particular was completely stunned by the Wildcat'ss diving ability).

Also remember that even the Spitfire ran into SERIOUS problems trying to turn against the A6M. Are you going to say our Spitfire's turning ability is overmodeled now, too?

So try turn-fighting a Zero in the F4F in-game and see where you get.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 03:14:14 PM »
What sax said. It's all relative.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 03:53:51 PM »
The wingloading on the F4F was roughly 26lbs/SF. As a comparision the wingloading on a hurricane is roughly 30lbs/SF and the A6M2 was about 22 lbs/SF. Sax framed the issue very nicely, the F4F suffers in comparison to the zeke but was actually a very nimble bird. As a comparison the SBD wingloading is under 20lbs/SF...it will eat up any zeke driver stupid enough to not use the vertical. D3A is even more lightly loaded...
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Re: F4F
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 03:54:18 PM »
F4F/FM2 was considered 1 of the best  turn fighters we had. it was just under powered/slow.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 06:39:05 PM »
Quote from: humble on February 11, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
The wingloading on the F4F was roughly 26lbs/SF. As a comparision the wingloading on a hurricane is roughly 30lbs/SF and the A6M2 was about 22 lbs/SF. Sax framed the issue very nicely, the F4F suffers in comparison to the zeke but was actually a very nimble bird. As a comparison the SBD wingloading is under 20lbs/SF...it will eat up any zeke driver stupid enough to not use the vertical. D3A is even more lightly loaded...
The SBD is a formidable dogfighter?
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Re: F4F
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 07:14:34 PM »
Only for anyone dumb enough to try and flat-turn with it.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 07:26:33 PM »
Quote from: Spikes on February 11, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
The SBD is a formidable dogfighter?


Perk it!!!





Sorry , couldn't resist.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 07:30:53 PM »
Quote from: 1Boner on February 11, 2009, 07:26:33 PM

Perk it!!!





Sorry , couldn't resist.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 07:55:42 PM »
Quote from: Unit791 on February 11, 2009, 02:35:31 PM
Well I know this is mainly what draws people to the F4F and FM2, but its manuverability seems quite historically inaccurate.  I seriously doubt that it could ever turn that good in real life.  My wish, please make this plane more historically accurate.

Before the model can be changed we need to know how you think it is supposed to perform.  Could you also imagine how the other aircraft are supposed to perform so the models can be made more historically accurate as well?
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Re: F4F
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 08:42:14 PM »
I recall a WWII vet watching somebody play AH using the F4F at the AH con in 2001.  The player was turning and mixing it up with a Zero.  The vet, who had flown F4Fs in WWII, commented that the game looked fun, but if they'd tried that in WWII they'd have died.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 08:46:15 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 11, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
I recall a WWII vet watching somebody play AH using the F4F at the AH con in 2001.  The player was turning and mixing it up with a Zero.  The vet, who had flown F4Fs in WWII, commented that the game looked fun, but if they'd tried that in WWII they'd have died.

That's the beauty of this game.. we don't die.  The reality in game is... given equal pilots zeke vs f4f .. the f4f pilot will be in the tower.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 09:08:00 PM »
Quote from: Saxman on February 11, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Oy.

The F4F has earned a seriously bad rap it does NOT deserve entirely because she's not conisdered in the proper context. Please keep in mind that the F4F was predominantly flying against one of the most agile aircraft of the war. Had the F4F been measured up against the 109 instead we'd probably have a much, MUCH different picture today. In fact from the handful of encounters between the Wildcat and German iron (Operation Torch, FAA Martlets in the channel and North Sea, etc) I've been able to find, the Germans had a pretty good opinion of the F4F (one pilot in particular was completely stunned by the Wildcat'ss diving ability).

Also remember that even the Spitfire ran into SERIOUS problems trying to turn against the A6M. Are you going to say our Spitfire's turning ability is overmodeled now, too?

So try turn-fighting a Zero in the F4F in-game and see where you get.

Nice post Sax
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Re: F4F
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 09:39:59 PM »
Quote from: Saxman on February 11, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
Only for anyone dumb enough to try and flat-turn with it.

Actually it goes beyond that, while its obviously overmatched vs any fighter its not an easy plane to kill. I almost never die in a straight 1 on 1  in an SBD quickly. It takes a while to work one down and its nimble enough to force errors. It's actually a very survivable plane from a defensive perspective.
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Re: F4F
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 09:44:43 PM »
Quote from: humble on February 11, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Actually it goes beyond that, while its obviously overmatched vs any fighter its not an easy plane to kill. I almost never die in a straight 1 on 1  in an SBD quickly. It takes a while to work one down and its nimble enough to force errors. It's actually a very survivable plane from a defensive perspective.
Imagine if ya had someone working the stinger. :devil
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