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Offline Getback

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FSO vs. MA
« on: February 12, 2009, 05:30:29 AM »
It seems that some folks are trying to turn the MA into another FSO. So I thought I would give my thoughts on both.

FSO's are pretty cool, no doubt. I enjoy them when I'm not too sleepy. Everyone's on the same mission and goals are assigned. The enemy knows the targets. It also gives those with a tight schedule a chance to fly with their buds and squads. You know they are likely to be there. There's also a measure of reality with plane types by era. And if you are like me and stuck pretty much on one plane it forces you to try different plane sets.

On the downside you get only one life (which does add to the realism) and someone else does all the planning and assigns the tasks. Because the enemy knows the target the defenders usually fly higher than 30k. Now radar is almost non existent so you still don't exactly know where the cons are until you make a visual or someone gives a report on location. So you don't know the number of planes you will encounter. It could be 5 or 35. Well unless you get an advance report. The last FSO I was in the assignment was a GV field. By the time I got there nothing was left to bomb. Everything was down and as far as I know no secondary assignment. So I just dropped my eggs and went home.

Now in the MA you get to choose what planes you want to fly and what missions you want to run or join. Room for a lot of creativity there. You also get the opportunity to go on your own. I go off by myself quite a bit. I decide if I want to run a gv or fly a plane or where I think the cv should go if I have the rank. You also pick the targets. Just a lot of freedom in the MA. If I go to bomb a field and find that there are no targets left I can simply choose my secondary target. Additionally the enemy doesn't know what plane sets will be coming or maybe even what the goal or target is. So there is the element of surprise.

On the down side you may not get any teamwork in the MA at all and on some nights according to a few you get too much team work. :rofl :rofl Then you also get way too many folks flying so called uber planes. Another detriment is that in the FSO it is bad to do suicide runs. That goes against your country in the FSO. Way too much of that in the MA.

I know Joker posted a mission and announced it on the boards to prove a point. Which he did quite well. However, to do this on a regular bases takes away many of the freedoms of the MA. I just don't think it should be a regular event. I think those type of things belong in the SEA arenas.

Additionally I would like to say that I do like the FSO it sure has its place in AH and is much appreciated by all. However, no one ever came to AH and the first question asked was about the FSO. So if you want to recruit you have to fly the MA. Unfortunately I have seen major squads all but disappear from the MA. They may have 20 to 30 guys show up for FSO and only about 5 show up for squad nights in the MA. While these squads are still doing quite well attrition does take place. My FSO squad, The 880 is a great case in point. While Warloc contributes heavily to the FSO the squad has almost no presence in the MA and thus is unable to grow to the 10- -12 players that Warloc would like. No offense intended Warloc. I really enjoy flying with the 880.

My last thoughts are you shouldn't sacrifice the MA for the FSO or vice versa.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 07:09:42 AM »
It seems that some folks are trying to turn the MA into another FSO. So I thought I would give my thoughts on both.

It'll never happen.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 07:10:51 AM »
It'll never happen.
Thanks Shifty.  I like them both for what they are.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 07:36:28 AM »
It seems that some folks are trying to turn the MA into another FSO.

not to worry.  htc holds the keys.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 07:43:54 AM »
Because the enemy knows the target the defenders usually fly higher than 30k.

This is the one frustration I have in FSO. Everything is in the stratosphere and it's very, VERY rare to find an enemy below that altitude unless the CMs impose a limit.
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 08:04:17 AM »
Thanks Shifty.  I like them both for what they are.

LOL not like it's up to me.  :D

The MA Arenas are what they are.
The Special Event Arenas are what they are.
Different animals completely.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 08:18:35 AM »
I don't like the MA much, but it's the only place I can fly a P51D. The FSOs suck most of the time because I always get stuck in a B5N,A6M or some other crap I have no interest in. The AvA is the type of play I'm looking for, but again not much of a plane choice and low player interest. So I'm pretty much limited to LW MA fighting spits.

CT is what I really wanted to see happen. All I really want to do is fight 109s and 190s with my P51 :frown:
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 08:53:45 AM »
I don't think anybody is looking to force the MA to comply with FSO type missions.  Talk about herding cats.  Ain't gonna happen.

The 'FSO' type of missions, however, require a certain amount of effort on both sides of the front to create an environment that is simply another sub-culture for combat.

Saying that one cannot and should not conduct pre-announced attack raids is the equivalent of telling folks they cannot or should not furball, toolshed, spawncamp, vulch, tank town, noe, HQ raids, .. etc. 

It's simply another facet of the game. 

I wouldn't be too concerned that the MA style of gameplay will ever go away. 
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 09:10:11 AM »
Main arena turned into another FSO?  Snowball's chance in hell.
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 09:23:37 AM »
This is the one frustration I have in FSO. Everything is in the stratosphere and it's very, VERY rare to find an enemy below that altitude unless the CMs impose a limit.

When I regularly did FSO's a couple of years ago, it was worse.  You had people ABOVE the alt. limit (not just 1,000, more).  Flight Leaders going against their own responsibilities, all in the name of getting their pat on the backs.   

That's the problem with games like this.   The Action's need to start coming, instead of the words.   
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 09:46:32 AM »
Karaya, did you hear the 51 pilots in blue yesterday who declared a 14k hard-deck for themselves? :lol  They were operating in the same area where you were flying.
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 09:54:13 AM »
Personally I think FSO flying is far superior to the MA in every way. I've got no problem with the altitude, and its not uncommon to see lower level or NOE either. What is important is that you have actual objectives and tasked orders. No question that at times you draw "bad" assignments but the good squads often find a way to achieve some measure of success. By and large the individuals and squads that do well consistently in FSO are equally capable in the MA.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 09:55:19 AM »
     I don't think the OP is actually worried about losing the current MAs to an FSO style setup. They are totally different. Ones Gamey, on tries to be more of a sim. I think he's content with the MA and any suggestions that the current setup is flawed in someway made him create this thread.

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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 10:28:57 AM »
It's just my opinion folks. Sure don't want to tell people how to enjoy themselves. Never have never will. I do think the MA is a bit more gamey than the FSO but I've seen some gaminess in the FSO before as well.

Like I said I enjoy both for what they are.

Addendum: I thought about joining Joker's mission it sounded like a lot of fun. However was too tired from having a cold all week so I logged instead.
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Re: FSO vs. MA
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 10:54:09 AM »
Altitude is speed, speed is life.

This is is the combat air bible.

Why would you be angry at people for reading the bible?