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Offline Sunka

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Assist numbers
« on: February 17, 2009, 03:24:43 PM »
 My assist number seems really high lately,i have messed with convergence but this has not helped.I fly anything with 50 Cal's and most of the time i only have 4 guns ,and wonder if they are undermodeled.So what is you assist number to kills,and what do you fly?
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 03:32:35 PM »
Something like 10:1 ratio of kills to assists.. I fly the k4 so I'm usually only landing a few hits on the enemy. But I don't fly in a horde so there's rarely someone stealing my kill.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 03:37:16 PM »
Last full tour I flew, had 408 total kills with only 31 assists.  A tad high for me, usually average 20 assists for a tour.  I attribute my low number of assists due to the fact that usually my hits on the enemy does catastrophic damage on the first burst.  Usually leave nothing left for anyone else to take and I also fire in close to ensure maximum amount of damage to the enemy plane.


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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 03:41:28 PM »
      The FM2 kills nicely. But the P51 and some others are my assist plane.

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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 03:44:31 PM »
You're probably getting more tracking shots with the FM2 than the 51.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 03:46:41 PM »
Just took a look at your scores...yeah almost as many assts as kills.  I would say your main problem is your hit%.  Second I am assuming your a BnZ type flier and with that you need more than 4 guns.  Going to get blasted for that but those guys that can do it have a much better hit% too.  You can saddle up on people with the P51B..IMO it's a much better dogfighter than the D.  Don't be the 5th guy in line on a single con.  Pick your targets better....ie If I go to a base and dive in on a lower con and see another knight diving I pull off.  If he wants them so bad he can have it.  or if I see a smoking/hurt plane I let it go....his day has been bad enough without me jumping him.

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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 03:54:55 PM »
You may be doing all the work in slowing down a con and some helpful country mates come along with cannons to clear your 12 for you.  :mad:
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 04:03:56 PM »
I fly mg planes as well. Takes a good steady burst. I don't shoot at damaged planes if I can avoid it. If several are on a formation of buffs I shoot for one the drones since most go for the icon. And like some else said dont be the 5th in line on a con.

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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 04:06:55 PM »
Just took a look at your scores...yeah almost as many assts as kills.  I would say your main problem is your hit%.  Second I am assuming your a BnZ type flier and with that you need more than 4 guns.  Going to get blasted for that but those guys that can do it have a much better hit% too.  You can saddle up on people with the P51B..IMO it's a much better dogfighter than the D.  Don't be the 5th guy in line on a single con.  Pick your targets better....ie If I go to a base and dive in on a lower con and see another knight diving I pull off.  If he wants them so bad he can have it.  or if I see a smoking/hurt plane I let it go....his day has been bad enough without me jumping him.

I don't know your flying style but work on that gunnery!
I don't B-n-z unless I'm in a 51D and i don't fly that much anymore,I'm in the b turning ,and my other bird is a f4f ...so no booming or zooming with that,and i hate hording for many resions.It is not my hit % that's bothering me (though it should) its just the hits that do no real damage im getting sick of.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 04:16:08 PM »
It is not my hit % that's bothering me (though it should) its just the hits that do no real damage im getting sick of.

Both things can be closer related to each other as one might think. A relatively low hit % can not only mean that few bullets are hitting the enemy plane. It's also frequently a hint that the distribution of hits itself may be less than perfect.
A pilot with a high hit % will more often be able to concentrate his hits on a specific spot (preferably at convergence range), quickly inflicting catastrophic damage that way. A pilot with a low hit % will much more often find himself raking bullets all over the plane, but not enough on any single location to cause fatal structural failure.
Both pilots may even land the same number of bullets on their targets, but the better shooter will still kill his enemy more often due to steady aim & concentrated hit distribution.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 04:20:53 PM »
So though i may be hitting a bird it my not be concentrated on one spot thus the lack of flaming .......interesting.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 04:23:07 PM »
So though i may be hitting a bird it my not be concentrated on one spot thus the lack of flaming .......interesting.

Yup.. but hard to judge by just looking at your stats. Perhaps you should film your sorties to examine where you are hitting, at what range (and if you convergence setting matches your usual firing distance)
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 04:27:35 PM »
My guns are set at 275 or 300..i think that's good.I might just have to stop shooting at planes to far away.
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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 04:39:01 PM »
I fly the 6 gun wildcat as well..
Getting a steady shot is crucial, or the target just keeps flying..
For me the problem is the transition between wild maneuvering
on the guys tail, and steadying down to make the shot count
when the chance presents itself.. Too often my hits are spread
out over a too large area.. My own fault...

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Re: Assist numbers
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 04:57:14 PM »
some luck (good and bad) can factor into kills too. Last night I had 2 seperate instances where I sent a plane spiraling down missing vital parts (wing, tail, all of the above) only to have a friendly dive in and following the cripple all the way to the ground blasting away and thus leaving me with the assist.  One of the tards augered in the process so that one was worth it to me.  I find the more mg birds I fly the better (laugh) my hit % is but I have alot less vaporization kills than with cannon birds. Death by bb vs dropping a 2-ton rock on his head.  Focusing on each planes weak spot helps too for me (wings on spits, wingtips on lancs, wing root on 24s, etc).
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