Author Topic: Russian opinion of Bf 109 vs Fw 190  (Read 6067 times)

Offline Motherland

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Re: Russian opinion of Bf 109 vs Fw 190
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2009, 10:21:53 AM »
When looking at Pokryshkin's kill record, the majority of his kills on fighters were on the 109, could either be  there were more 109s? Or just easier to kill them?
There were 33,000 Bf.109's produced compared to 20,000 Fw 190's; and the Western Front had a higher priority for Fw.190's (the Bf.109's armament being largely inadequate for taking on heavy bombers).
There were only two Geschwaders operating Fw.190's in Russia, JG51 and JG54. JG51 converted back to the Bf.109 in 1943 IIRC.

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Re: Russian opinion of Bf 109 vs Fw 190
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2009, 02:21:42 PM »
Well I think refering back to the original post we must understand that the La5 in question was the La5 of early 1943. This was most likely actually the original La5 with neither boosted or injected engine.


Early VVS aircraft even the Laggs and Yaks could out turn the 190 that was introduced on Eastern front in 1942. Whilst the 109F and even later the G2 were equally proficient in this area and better in every other than such as the LaGG3 and Yak1.

Indeed only with the introduction of the La5FN did the VVS think they had a plane equal to the current LW aircraft on the front.

It was not until the introduction of the La7 and to some extent the Yak 3 that the VVS thought they had aiorcraft superior in some aspects to the LW equivilents (then on the eastern front)

The dominent LW aircraft on the Eastern front throughout 43 was the 109 in its various types........... since 41 the VVS had been taught to fear getting trapped by a small group of 109's.

I have 3 accounts each of whom refer to the paractice of head on attacks from FW pilots. It seems this became a sort of myth much discussed by VVS pilots.

The later 190 F series was very much a tool designed with the eastern front in mind to replace the Ju87. These would not have been feared by the VVS indeed there are many accounts of small numbers of VVS on patrol hitting larger groups  of 190's which were all heavy with bombs.

Pokryshkin's (regiments and later divisional) record basically shows what can be accomplished with thorough training. He was a master of ACS  (air combat strategy) enabling groups of ac performing very specific tasks to accomplish stuff that standard patrol and engage tactics failed at.
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Re: Russian opinion of Bf 109 vs Fw 190
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2009, 04:26:20 PM »
Whats alts were the fights on the Eastern front? I'm assuming far less than the 25k over Germany and Britain. (Aside from that, the LW pilot has to be thinking if he bails out over that frozen tundra, dying of exposure is a likely outcome)


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Most I recall reading were very very low. So, anything really.

From wikipedia

I understand, but it was a quick search.
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