gun selection help

[AKHog]

do you have a link to it?

thanks,

opposum

JFGI!

BTW asking advice about guns on a game forum doesn't really show a lot of effort. There are countless gun forums that have answered every question you can probably think of several times over. Google is your friend, learn it, use it.

[Barnes828]

Check this forum out

will find better answers to your questions

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewforum.php?f=48&sid=e37ce58de8b7b34f24c38bacd29bd54e

I have a Mini-14 so i can shoot both rem .223 and NATO 5.56 but we always use .223 just because its cheaper.

you probably not be able to use .223 in most 5.56 guns because they are not powerful enough and will not cycle

[Widewing]

I haven't looked at ammunition prices in a few years. I was really surprised at the big jump in cost.

For example, I purchased two 200 round cans of linked 7.62 NATO ball ammo for $29 each back in 2003. Today, that same Singapore made ammo is selling for up to 70 cents a round. I haven't even opened the cans yet. I have 12 loaded CETME mags stored (with aftermarket 17-7PH SS springs that will not sack-out). So, I don't expect to need the linked ammo anytime soon. Good thing too...


My regards,

Widewing

[opposum]

ok I admit, I am a puss when it comes to recoil, does the .308 kick hard??? 






thanks,




opposum

[Dago]

ok I admit, I am a puss when it comes to recoil, does the .308 kick hard??? 
thanks,
opposum

Yes.  I have one.  It kicks. But it is a great round.

[Seraphim]

Also check the AR15.com forums, they have tone of info on manufacturers, also on how to build your ar if you go that way.

AKHog, I don't where you get your ammo, but I haven't seen 556 lower than $350 a case lately...

[stroker71]

.308 kick hard?...not really.  

I have an ak-47 semi auto w/ 4 30 round mags, Russian made side mount scope (don't think you can buy them in the US anymore) and about 2000 rounds of ammo on hand.  To me it's a fun plinker...blast to run though 30 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger....hehe.   Have about 400$

What something that kicks and makes you wish you never bought the gun...had that experience.  Bought a 30-06 semi auto with stock and extended 10 round mag.   Try running 10 30-06 rounds as fast as you can reacquire the target....ouch.  Sure someone is going to pipe in and say I am a wussy.  But I sold that gun was fun to shoot and here in Indiana can't hunt anything with it.  But I was watching a hunting show and a guy dropped a moose from 1000yards with a 30-06...so it has stopping power.

[opposum]

.308 kick hard?...not really.  

I have an ak-47 semi auto w/ 4 30 round mags, Russian made side mount scope (don't think you can buy them in the US anymore) and about 2000 rounds of ammo on hand.  To me it's a fun plinker...blast to run though 30 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger....hehe.   Have about 400$

What something that kicks and makes you wish you never bought the gun...had that experience.  Bought a 30-06 semi auto with stock and extended 10 round mag.   Try running 10 30-06 rounds as fast as you can reacquire the target....ouch.  Sure someone is going to pipe in and say I am a wussy.  But I sold that gun was fun to shoot and here in Indiana can't hunt anything with it.  But I was watching a hunting show and a guy dropped a moose from 1000yards with a 30-06...so it has stopping power.

.308 recoil up against the ak47 recoil which one kicks harder?


lol sorry for the lame noob questions lol




thanks,


opposum

[stroker71]

Depends alittle on the gun but the 308 does kick harder. 

If you want a fun cheap plinker that has some power pick up a Ak-47.  Ar-15 are fun but not cheap to buy or shoot. 

If you get a AK-47 have fun with it.  Wrap your bed sheets around you put a towel on your head and run down the road yelling "Jihad!!!!!!!"....kidding!

[opposum]

Depends alittle on the gun but the 308 does kick harder. 

If you want a fun cheap plinker that has some power pick up a Ak-47.  Ar-15 are fun but not cheap to buy or shoot. 

If you get a AK-47 have fun with it.  Wrap your bed sheets around you put a towel on your head and run down the road yelling "Jihad!!!!!!!"....kidding!

LOL! cut eye holes in a pillow case and wear that instead along with the sheets around you LOL!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I prefer the AR-10 to the AR-15, but then I'm just a 30 caliber guy. In fact, I don't own much that isn't 30 caliber or bigger. The local gun shop guys call me a recoil junkie. The AR-10 has pretty low recoil, and the round itself is far more inherently accurate, and far more effective. The point being, if you are going to pony up a big price, get all you can get for your money. Depending on how things go, the AR-10 308 may not be that much more expensive to shoot than the AR 15 223/5.56 NATO.

Yes, the AK and SKS stuff in 7.62x39 is cheap to shoot. It is also less accurate and less powerful, so it has less utility than the 308 in the AR 10, unless you just want to spray a lot of cheap ammo from a cheaper rifle.

With guns, you do not always get what you pay for, but you rarely if ever get what you do not pay for. Meaning if you pay a lot less for a rifle, expect a lot less rifle.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

By the way, this really isn't that bad a place to ask firearms questions. There are some very knowledgeable and helpful people on this board when it comes to firearms. Though most of us moved off to the flamewarriors board, some stayed, and many look in at both places.

[Nefarious]

Yes, the AK and SKS stuff in 7.62x39 is cheap to shoot. It is also less accurate and less powerful, so it has less utility than the 308 in the AR 10, unless you just want to spray a lot of cheap ammo from a cheaper rifle.

Not anymore, 7.62x39 is getting really tough to find deals on or even find itself.

[Rich46yo]

Recoil is often subjective and also, in part, controlled by rifle/stock construction. Be that as it may a 7.62x54 chambered military rifle is tossing out a 150 grn class pill at roughly the same velocity as the 5.56mm M-16 shoots a 55 grn, or 62grn, bullet. So the 7.62 NATO round will probably have more felt recoil. Not that any of this is a problem however. The 7.62 rifle will probably be heavier, longer, and able to soak up recoil better.

If it makes you feel better then keep in kind that countless millions of troops throughout history were able to learn to shoot the .30 cals, 7mms, 8mms, 7.62mms that make up this class of military rifle. I have found their recoil so light as to be a non-issue. And even if your recoil sensitive these are not heavily recoiling rifles. Then again I have a .375 H&H that I find "soft" to shoot due its weight and stock by Winchester. It feels "lighter" to me recoil-wise then many a .300 or .338 mag, even a 3006 or two.

In my mind I consider the 7.62 NATO the best military rifle round ever made. I do understand why we made the move to the 5.56mm, even more why we stayed with it. But "perfection" was found in the M1A1 and 7.62 NATO.

[WilldCrd]

JFGI!

BTW asking advice about guns on a game forum doesn't really show a lot of effort. There are countless gun forums that have answered every question you can probably think of several times over. Google is your friend, learn it, use it.

Well, actually the argument could be made that it is a very wise decision to ask about guns here. Despite it being a "game" forum there are ALOT of us that are avid hunters, collectors, survivalist and just guys that know guns.
Also he probably feels comfortable asking here due to being around a lil bit and getting to know us....err atleast in a virtual cyber sense. I know that sounds odd but in a weird way we are all like friends and even value each others opinion, knowledge ect.
When something good happens to one of us and the rest of us are informed of it that person is greeted with a bunch of  or  and congrats. If its something bad we all send our condolences, prayers and feel sad for that person.
Sure we have some black sheep in our rather large dysfunctional family but in general we are caring compassionate and in general good folks.
I'm suprised some psyc majaor hasn't done a paper on the dynamics and interaction of this or other online community that is reletivly close nit like ours is.
Kinda gives ya a warm feeling all over 


I know i know there will be plenty of gratuitous  due to this post