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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2009, 08:39:25 AM »
Wiki is a good place to start but I don't know about putting much stock in much of it without more research.  Primary source, don't think so.

Well, when I read a Wiki article about anything I want to take seriously, I check the citations.  You're right that they're not often going to be primary sources, but seeing the claims backed up by good secondary sources puts the article in a different category than one where the citations are from "some dude's website." ;)  In some cases, I have looked at their citation and found that it's a book that I own.  I look at the book, and the wiki article almost repeats the book verbatim!  Again, looking at the talk page and the history of edits and wrist-slapping that's gone on over the 109 article, it seems to be of good quality.  For instance, most websites you look up for the 109K-4 will say it had two 15mm cannons in the cowl and the option of the MK 103, which we know is silly.

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The reputation of the 109K-4 in the game is irrelevant.  If some 109K-4's had the MG 151/20 in the hub, it should be in the game.  If it proves to be too much that option could be a separate perked aircraft.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2009, 12:54:34 PM »
<-- Finds himself taking up a G14 with a 30mm rather than a K4, lately.
step off g14 is my ride :lol
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2009, 12:58:38 PM »
I might play around with that G14 in 4 years or so when I've mastered this ki-84.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2009, 01:04:51 PM »
I learned that everyone loves a spud :rock


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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2009, 01:45:04 PM »
I might play around with that G14 in 4 years or so when I've mastered this ki-84.
Santa knows I can't hit anything with taters. He watches, all the time.

That makes me wonder, who has the best SA.. God or Santa?

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2009, 02:00:18 PM »
<-- Finds himself taking up a G14 with a 30mm rather than a K4, lately.

Thats what ive been doing for the past several tours.

This tour though im all G6 for a change of pace.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2009, 02:50:16 PM »
38s could carry 22 inch torps too.... not much chance :)
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2009, 03:20:26 PM »
good one, Mazz :)
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2009, 01:06:17 AM »
Hmm, I kinda like running into K4's co alt in the old 38G.  It's the ones above me that I don't like as much :)
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2009, 03:47:34 AM »
Well, when I read a Wiki article about anything I want to take seriously, I check the citations.  You're right that they're not often going to be primary sources, but seeing the claims backed up by good secondary sources puts the article in a different category than one where the citations are from "some dude's website." ;)  In some cases, I have looked at their citation and found that it's a book that I own.  I look at the book, and the wiki article almost repeats the book verbatim!  Again, looking at the talk page and the history of edits and wrist-slapping that's gone on over the 109 article, it seems to be of good quality.  For instance, most websites you look up for the 109K-4 will say it had two 15mm cannons in the cowl and the option of the MK 103, which we know is silly.

----------------The reputation of the 109K-4 in the game is irrelevant.  If some 109K-4's had the MG 151/20 in the hub, it should be in the game.  If it proves to be too much that option could be a separate perked aircraft.

Thanks for your input bud  :aok...I just got done working 25 hours and I'm astonished at the ammount of replies!!  :O  I gotta be back at 1100 so I can't do anymore research of my own until tomorrow night.  So do you think we might have a chance?  :D

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2009, 06:32:41 AM »
I Fly the P-39.  :rock





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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2009, 10:21:44 AM »
I Fly the P-39.  :rock
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2009, 11:12:09 AM »
Hmm, I kinda like running into K4's co alt in the old 38G.  It's the ones above me that I don't like as much :)
Del and i had a fun series of these it was a good time for sure.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2009, 11:50:19 AM »
Gotta like a plane that forces you to fight well (or crash and burn)..
I don't do the K4 often..  But when I do, it's only those shots that I could probably reach out and touch the other guy's ride that I take....  :rock
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