change the perks on the tiger

[hubsonfire]

Prior to the update, the armor/ballistics model was jacked up- so comparing it's ability to kill and survive when it was artificially tougher, and had no rivals isn't necessarily a good demonstration of it's perk value being skewed.

[waystin2]

The tiger is the tank at the top of the heap, both in terms of armor and firepower.  No stats reviewed will change this fact.  It's perk is deserved and requires no changes, let alone lowering it's perk value.

[AWwrgwy]

thats my point.. the tiger isnt as feared as it was and shouldnt be worth the perks it commanded when it didnt have the other 2 tanks present

"Fear" isn't a criteria.  You're not going to up a Tiger if you think you are just going to die anyway.  You are much more likely to spawn a panzer or even a T34/76.  You aren't going to spawn a Tiger, or a Firefly for that matter, into a place being camped by 3 or 4 opponents no matter what they are in.


wrongway

[TheZohan]

well that is undisputed..  but the tiger where prone to problems too. and had major issues with there size and mechinical failures that AH modeling  cant fix. if they could you'd probably never up a tiger.

[waystin2]

but the tiger where prone to problems too. and had major issues with there size and mechinical failures that AH modeling  cant fix. if they could you'd probably never up a tiger.

This is true.  What a different game it would be if HTC actually modeled historical mechanical failures for each and every plane and vehicle.

[AWwrgwy]

This is true.  What a different game it would be if HTC actually modeled historical mechanical failures for each and every plane and vehicle.

...with a randomizer.  It would be better than the collision model.  (I have no problem with the collision model.)



wrongway

[TheZohan]

"Fear" isn't a criteria.  You're not going to up a Tiger if you think you are just going to die anyway.  You are much more likely to spawn a panzer or even a T34/76.  You aren't going to spawn a Tiger, or a Firefly for that matter, into a place being camped by 3 or 4 opponents no matter what they are in.


wrongway

well if i can kill a tiger with 1 hit now from a one of the other perked tanks. what good is it when before it took 5-10 shots if you was lucky to take it out. which was the whole reason people upped tigers, when they found out you could up  a M4 or T34/85 instead at 1/10 the cost and do just as much damage.  is the tiger worth the same amount of perks point it was when it come out going against panzers and t-34/76's
i dont think so based on the modeling now.

[shreck]

I'm not a snail, but there is something skewed with the perked GV's:

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On average, users spend more perks to get a kill with the T-34/85 than they do with the M4, even though the M4 is more expensive.  To me that says the M4 is too cheap.  The Tiger is fine.

Note: this may be entirely due to the wonderful default skin of the M4, and the lousy "shoot-me" skins of the T-34/85 and the Tiger.

Once again your chart neglects the fact that the tiger is used very very conservatively, and the other tanks used very very liberaly. IF the tiger was used as liberaly as the sherman, I believe the K/D of the tiger would be worse than the sherman! And once again, anyone with an egg hunts the tiger 1st! Tis the way of things!!   Just make the perk value of the sherman 3/4 that of the Tiger! At 3-4 perks for a sherman, it is hardly a choice tween it and the tiger. Some of us really enjoy the idea of the tiger, it just gets too much bombing attention for the cost! And it is easy prey for "an all to cheap" sherman!

[Belial]

I agree with Shreck the Sherman perk cost is too low, but dont you dare tough my t34-85.

[skullman]

the tiger is fine but the t34/86 and sherman need to have perks increased

[E25280]

 is the tiger worth the same amount of perks point it was when it come out going against panzers and t-34/76's

The perk cost of the Tiger was reduced 40% when the Firefly came out.

The Tiger is much harder than the T-34/85 or the Firefly to kill from the air.

The Tiger is much harder than the T-34/85 or Firefly to kill from a T-34/76 or Panzer.

The Tiger takes more punishment from field ack than the T-34/85 or Firefly.

The Tiger deserves its perk cost.

[SmokinLoon]

well if i can kill a tiger with 1 hit now from a one of the other perked tanks. what good is it when before it took 5-10 shots if you was lucky to take it out. which was the whole reason people upped tigers, when they found out you could up  a M4 or T34/85 instead at 1/10 the cost and do just as much damage.  is the tiger worth the same amount of perks point it was when it come out going against panzers and t-34/76's
i dont think so based on the modeling now.

Keep in mind the actual abilities of the projectiles that are being fired in the AH2.  If a T34/76mm fired a round at a Tiger from 800 yards, what do the charts say will happen in a perfect world???  If a Panzer IV hits a M4 Firefly in the turret at 2000 yards, what to the charts say will happen in a perfect world?  I am curious as to why the T34 series have turrets made of cheese.  It seems a peasant can throw a rock hard enough to knock it out.  What do the charts say the armor is on the front of a T34 76mm and 85mm turret???  The ranges tell the tale.

So many of the tank battle ranges that take place in AH2 are so much closer than what they were in WWII that tanks like the Tiger get a bad rap becuase they are not dominating like they truely did.  If the ranges were 2000 yards or more on a more consistant basis then I would be willing to bet the Tiger would have even better stats.  But as it is, there are too many trees, too many mounds, and too many places to use cover for the Tiger to really shine.  Obviously, the Normal hedgerows were an exception to the typcial tank duels.

[AWwrgwy]

So many of the tank battle ranges that take place in AH2 are so much closer than what they were in WWII that tanks like the Tiger get a bad rap becuase they are not dominating like they truely did.  

Actually, I've found the opposite to be true.  Tank engagements seemed to have typically taken place easily under 500 yards.  2000 yards is 1.13 miles.  That's alot of clear space for a fight.



wrongway

[LLogann]

See Rule #4

[Cajunn]

Just to add to the toughness of the Tiger, I watched a guy drop no less then five 1000 ponders on a Tiger and it just kept on cruising!