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Offline ra

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« on: June 20, 2000, 05:50:00 PM »
This plane is going to rule the MA, I hope it is accurately modelled.  Sure climbs fast.

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2000, 07:30:00 PM »
Uh, why does it have an AUX fuel tank? The A-8 had an extra tank in the rear fuselage, the A-5 didn't.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2000, 04:03:00 AM »
 
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Uh, why does it have an AUX fuel tank? The A-8 had an extra tank in the rear fuselage, the A-5 didn't.

Yep, seems like a mistake to me, A-8 was the earliest 190 that had AUX tank for MW 50 or additional fuel.

Well, in next patch it will be corrected  

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2000, 04:21:00 AM »
Well, the Yak-9 is gonna rule it too. Has all the advantages the 109 has and none of the flaws.

The A5 climbs decently but nowhere near the new rocket o' the sky, the Yakatak (credits go to (cannot remember just woke up) for that word  ).

A5 topspeed seems a little lower than A8 - or is it just my imagination?

Also, should be a field modification to remove those pesky mg's.



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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2000, 05:08:00 AM »
Done some offline tests yesterday with 190A8/A5/G10/Yak. All of them with 50% fuel and no external stores (both 190 with 4x20 conf).

1 - 190A5 climbs much better than A8 at SL. About 700-800 fpm better.
2 - 190A5 climbs identical to A8 at 10k (3100-3200) fpm.
3 - 190A5 climbs better than A8 above 20k.
4 - 190A5 takes more time to refrigetate a hot engine than A8.
5 - 190A5 takes only 2.5-3 secs to hammerhead (vertical inversion), 190A8 about 4-5 secs.
6 - 190A5 guns have even worse ROF than 190A8.
7 - Not absolutely sure, but it seems to me that 190A8 acceletares much better than A5 in 0g dives.
8 - Low speed handling of A5 is noticeably better than A8, hi speed handling is almost identical.
9 - Yak has 200-250 fpm climbing advantage over A5 at 10k.
10 - 109G10 has about 500 fpm climbing advantage over Yak at 10k. This difference seems to minimize at higher altitudes.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2000, 05:25:00 AM »
Actually the A-5 will out-climb the Yak up to 4k.

These are approximate climbrates I have observed with 100% fuel and max. power(100% in Yak, WEP in A-5).

Yak-9U.
Initial: 3600fpm.
At 6k drops off to 3200fpm at 8k.
8k to 15k improves slightly to 3300fpm.
15k drops off to ceiling.

Fw 190A-5.
Initial: 4000fpm.
4k drops off to 2800fpm at 10k.
10k to 20k improves to 3000fpm.
20k drops off to ceiling.

The Fw 190A-5 top speed is only about 400mph at 20k.  
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2000, 05:27:00 AM »
   
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Originally posted by ra:
This plane is going to rule the MA, I hope it is accurately modelled.  Sure climbs fast.

ra


Oh why when the LW nuts we get a good plane people start to whine?

A5 had much less wingloading than A8
A5 had much better powerloading than A8

That means that A5 must climb WAY better than A8. And that it should be faster (still have to test the fast thing because I think that 190 are too slow higher than 15K)and accelerate better, too.

Just happens that many people here still think that 190A was crap. well it wasnt. and we are going to rock in it!

About the AUX tank...A5 had provision for MW50 and GM1...and that means that it had a tank for the fuel for those boosters----->aux tank


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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2000, 05:51:00 AM »
RAM, the rear tank was not fitted to the A-5.

The engine of the A-4 and later models had the capability to use MW 50, but none of the necessary equipment(Ie: rear tank) was actually installed until the A-8.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2000, 05:59:00 AM »
 
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About the AUX tank...A5 had provision for MW50 and GM1...and that means that it had a tank for the fuel for those boosters----->aux tank

No, only A-8 (and later) had AUX tank. If you find a real A-5 and look itäs belly behind cocpit you won't see anything interesting. In A-8 you will find a hatch that is used to access the AUX tank which was used as a fuel tank or MW 50 tank, the first one were more common I think.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2000, 08:31:00 AM »
All I know is the A5 is a seriously fun ride... got into a low turnfight with one surprised pony.   At sea level, you had better seriously respect its climb, speed, and acceleration.
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Offline ra

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2000, 09:09:00 AM »
The P-38 was a seriously fun ride when it was first released.

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2000, 12:39:00 PM »
BTW, that fast climb is only initial... after 5K or so it drops off, and even more so above 10K. I don't know if it is accurate, but I won't be found in much else for a while.  
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2000, 12:45:00 PM »
I took a pony yesterday down SW, I went practicing some turn fighting with the A5.
I was ok, didn't impressed me, i could stay in his 6 while we both ended on the ground.

but off course, you guys are thinking :' they were A5 dweebs, if it would had been me you would be dead'.  
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2000, 01:16:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy:
I took a pony yesterday down SW, I went practicing some turn fighting with the A5.
I was ok, didn't impressed me, i could stay in his 6 while we both ended on the ground.

but off course, you guys are thinking :' they were A5 dweebs, if it would had been me you would be dead'.  

A5 trying to solve a combat against P51 with horizontal and substained turns at low speed and on the deck ?? Yep, it seems dweed for me  
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2000, 01:39:00 PM »
For comparison, funked's USN Fw 190A-5 page: http://members.xoom.com/mikewaltz/F-TR-1102-ND.htm
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