They Knew Pearl Harbour Was Coming

[SirLoin]

If Captain Kirk was alerted to a "Confirmed Sub Sighting!" in Peal harbour, he woulda gone "RED ALERT!!!"..

Why was there no defense put up on that sighting?

Country CH shoulda gone up in green but it didn't happen.

And you can't say they didn't know it might be coming..

But in the end...Free society invented the bomb first.

We got the bomb in spring 1945..Why was it not used in the fight for Okinawa?A lot of good guy blood spill could have been avoided.

Why was Hambourg bombed 3 months before the end of the war? A socialist city that never voted for Hitler & a city der Furer Hitler refused to visit..A working class and concentrated city(more kills per bomb was the reason)

There must be answers to questions like these.!

[Angus]

Alas, the only things we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.....
As for Hamburg, it still baffles me that the "Speicherstadt" is still standing. Looks like a good and valid target....

[killjoy1]

Why were the carriers sent out of Pearl at midnight on emergency orders?  

Why were the carriers sent SE of Pearl?

Why did the Japs have a model of Pearl with the position of each ship 3 months in advance?

[Delirium]

If Captain Kirk was alerted to a "Confirmed Sub Sighting!" in Peal harbour, he woulda gone "RED ALERT!!!"..
Why was there no defense put up on that sighting?
We got the bomb in spring 1945..Why was it not used in the fight for Okinawa?A lot of good guy blood spill could have been avoided.
Why was Hambourg bombed 3 months before the end of the war? A socialist city that never voted for Hitler & a city der Furer Hitler refused to visit..A working class and concentrated city(more kills per bomb was the reason)

1. The Ward did transmit they fired on a submarine operating in protected waters, it did not reach the Admiral until it was too late. I saw recently they found the midget sub in question, it had a hole in the tower.

2. They really weren't sure what the long term effects of the atom bomb would of been, some scientists had even said using it would cause the world to be destroyed prior to the testing in Los Alamos.

3. Hamburg? Hamburg was bombed quite a few times, Do you mean Dresden? If so, it was used as a clear message to the Soviets in addition more and more Germans were using that city as a staging ground since it hadn't been bombed yet.

[Delirium]

Why were the carriers sent out of Pearl at midnight on emergency orders?  
Why were the carriers sent SE of Pearl?
Why did the Japs have a model of Pearl with the position of each ship 3 months in advance?

1. The carriers were ferrying aircraft to Wake, Midway or undergoing overhauls at the mainland. They all knew the war was coming, no one knew when.

2. I cannot answer that one.

3. The Japanese had someone routinely taking pictures and doing drawings of the harbor from the bluffs that overlook the harbor.

Here is a better question, why didn't the Japanese take out of the fuel stores or the subpens for Pearl during the attack?

[SirLoin]

Here is a better question, why didn't the Japanese take out of the fuel stores or the subpens for Pearl during the attack?

I think they got horned-up on hitting fleet ships..The third wave (had it happened) woulda sunk at least one cv...And changed the course of the war.

[Marauding Conan]

I think they got horned-up on hitting fleet ships..The third wave (had it happened) woulda sunk at least one cv...And changed the course of the war.

Actually, the third wave would have targeted the facilitites. And yes, failure to target the facilities was a costly mistake the Japanise Navy made.

[Spikes]

1. The carriers were ferrying aircraft to Wake, Midway or undergoing overhauls at the mainland. They all knew the war was coming, no one knew when.

Maybe...but on emergency orders?

[JunkyII]

  I hate it when people talk of conspiracies, GOOD men have lost there lives for nothing if these thoughts were true, instead of this honor the loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage of those that have fallen defending the victims of this tragic day in American history

[Eagler]

many would rather think conspiracy instead of ineffective stupidity

hindsight is always 20/20

[allaire]

And foresight isn't worth a fart in the wind.  Junky some people don't have a care about any kind of values, least of all the Army Values.  They see that anything that involves the government must have conspiracies about it for you to see if they dig hard enough.

[Kermit de frog]

And foresight isn't worth a fart in the wind.  Junky some people don't have a care about any kind of values, least of all the Army Values.  They see that anything that involves the government must have conspiracies about it for you to see if they dig hard enough.

History has shown there was usually a real motive and a public motive.

[ink]

I so want to speak my mind, but alas, I would be banned...

[Lusche]

Why was Hambourg bombed 3 months before the end of the war? A socialist city that never voted for Hitler & a city der Furer Hitler refused to visit..A working class and concentrated city(more kills per bomb was the reason)

1st, I'm rather sure you are confusing Hamburg with Dresden

2nd Hamburg was not really a "socialist city". And for the claim Hamburg had "never voted for Hitler": In the last elections to the Landtag during the Weimar republic in 1932, the NSDAP won with 31% of all votes, the socialist SPD being second with 30%...

[Cthulhu]

many would rather think conspiracy instead of ineffective stupidity

hindsight is always 20/20

Was just shaking my head  , then I saw your post.   It's amazing how so many are eager to credit the government with the most elaborate conspiracies, then in the same breath lambast that very same government as being completely inept.

Have any of you Smoking Guns types ever been to the DMV?