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Offline Voss

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« on: February 22, 2001, 11:47:00 PM »
Manufacturer I mean.

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2001, 12:09:00 AM »
The 50 cal was made by browning the Hispano was licence produced somewhere mattel? I dont know.

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2001, 12:30:00 AM »
All I could find was in 'America's Hundred Thousand' on page 372. It states that it had 4 M2 20mm cannons with provisions for a maximum of 125 rounds per gun.

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2001, 01:37:00 AM »
There were several different US manufacturers of the AN-M2 cannon.  I don't have the details to hand, but can look them up if you're interested.

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Offline Voss

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2001, 03:32:00 AM »
I would like to know the all up weight of the gun, clyclic rate of fire, etc., but wouldn't want to put you out  

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2001, 05:07:00 AM »
Same as the Typhoon and F4U-1C guns.

The Mustang Ia would be nice. They should have done it instead of the F4U-1C.  

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
Hiya Voss

I believe that the majority had M2 cannons, though some of the original order for Britain had Hispano cannons - Mustang Mk 1A

 

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by juzz:
Same as the Typhoon and F4U-1C guns.

The Mustang Ia would be nice. They should have done it instead of the F4U-1C.  

Isn't that hipocritical?  Aren't you one of the opposers of the F4U-1C?

Take your fav. ride, and ask yourself if you would fly it or not with the same gun package as the Tiffy/Chog.

 


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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »
I wouldn't fly the Mustang 1A, even if it had a vulcan cannon.

It isn't a P-51D.

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »
Rip,

I would have added that a P51 with cannon  should be a very expensive ride.  

To have something like this available 24-7 would only add to the frustration I feel
(and others I suspect) that in AH too much lethality overall tends to reduce the level of skill required to kill your opponent AND just the opposite as well.  

To Reiterate: Too much lethality impacts many folks perception that the late war cannon game makes it just too difficult to strike back at your opponent from a disadvantage with even a fair chance of success.

Lethality as such is truly a dual edged sword that requires delicate thought from the developers when being applied to the game.

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2001, 03:04:00 PM »
A few historical details:  The 20mm cannon used by the RAF, USAAF and USN started life as the French Hispano-Suiza HS 404.  It was very powerful for a 20mm, firing a 130g projectile at around 880 m/s, and it fired at a fast 700 rpm.  Main problem was it was designed for engine mounting (as in the Dewoitine D.520) and was very long and heavy.  It also only had a 60-round drum magazine.

The British adopted it as the Hispano, more or less as was, but slowed the RoF to 600 rpm in the interests of reliability.  It entered service in late 1940, but by 1941 a belt feed had been devised and this rapidly replaced the drum feeds.

The US adopted it as the AN-M2 (AN signifying it was for both the army and navy).  However, for various complicated reasons the US had all sorts of production difficulties and it was never very reliable.

Towards the end of the war, the RAF and US both introduced improved versions, which were shorter, lighter (around 42 kg instead of 50 kg), and faster-firing (750 rpm).  These were the Hispano Mk V and M3 respectively.  They lost a bit of muzzle velocity and hitting power due to the shorter barrels (around 850 m/s) but were among the best 20mm cannon of the war.  However, the US production problems were not really resolved until after the war.  This might account for the continued popularity of the .50, even though the USN rated the 20mm as three times as effective.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2001, 03:33:00 PM »
Thank you, Mr. Williams. That answers my question just fine.  

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What cannon did the P-51 have?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2001, 04:45:00 PM »
At least the low-altitude Mustang Ia would have made for a more interesting arena porker than the F4U-1C.

Maximum speed 382mph at 13,000ft. Climb: 11 minutes to 20,000ft. The low-alt Allison engine was worthless over 15,000ft.

It would have been really funny to see people whining that such a plane was uber.  

Now where's my Aussie Spitfire HF.VIII with 4x20mm dammit!!!