DA Fighter Town is a Fun MA Furball Tuneup

[BnZs]

And teamwork in the lake?  With random players?  You can't be serious. 

Um, what, you have to take off together and fly in formation to use teamwork? The fact that it is improvisational does not mean its not teamwork. You have range voice comms to work with. If you give a check6, that is teamwork. If you clear a six, that is teamwork, if you call for a clear and set the bandit up that is teamwork. If you don't jump on a bandit already at a disadvantage and instead gain energy to act as "top cover" for the friendlie(s) already engaged, this also is teamwork. It is my theory, backed up by observation, that the group that does this better will tend to attrite the group that attempts to engage in serial 1v1s. Those who come out on the loosing end can either gnash their teeth in the privacy of their own homes and swear to improve their tactics (the BnZ way) or make daily threads about how much the gameplay sucks (the Everyone Else way apparently).

If you wish to engage in serial 1v1s there are other islands in the lake for it. I've done that quite abit, decent at it, enjoy it when someone I know is online and wants to go at it. I've also realized that the practice is semi-irrelevant for multiple bandit engagements which tend to predominate in the MA and FSO, and that the DA lake is quick, hyper-condensed practice for gunnery and dealing with the anything and everything one is likely to encounter.

[moot]

I guess you're having trouble reading between the lines or never went to the lake when the uberdweebs are there (95% of time) or have some warped definition of "gameplay".  Or some combination of these.
The lake is mostly players who do no fight.  Instead it's nothing but picks and gangs.  Not ACM, just one dimensional passes, endless egress even from 1:1 odds, or climbing for 5kft+ of perch to endlessly "BnZ" you to sleep.  Am I gnashing my teeth yet?  No, I'm just pointing out what pretty much every other player who played in the DA 5 years+ ago will echo.  It's the same sort of non-fighting as in the MA but multiplied by the ganger squads in there (ask Agent360 about being repeatedly singled out at the lake by one of those groups) and the general monkey-see-monkey-do tempest pickers, etc.

Dense, randomly manned team furballs per se aren't the problem.

[BnZs]

Oh, I never said there wasn't love muffinery of epic proportions. But generally you can find or force some fighting with something, without climb or travel time. Okay, maybe the fight will usually be with like 3 somethings, but at least they are interested in killing YOU instead of some hangars or town buildings*, as opposed to the MA condition.

*USUALLY not interested in destruction of property-I don't understand why the hangars and other assorted field objects aren't set as indestructible in the DA*.

I guess you're having trouble reading between the lines or never went to the lake when the uberdweebs are there (95% of time) or have some warped definition of "gameplay".  Or some combination of these.
The lake is mostly players who do no fight.  Instead it's nothing but picks and gangs.  Not ACM, just one dimensional passes, endless egress even from 1:1 odds, or climbing for 5kft+ of perch to endlessly "BnZ" you to sleep.  Am I gnashing my teeth yet?  No, I'm just pointing out what pretty much every other player who played in the DA 5 years+ ago will echo.  It's the same sort of non-fighting as in the MA but multiplied by the ganger squads in there (ask Agent360 about being repeatedly singled out at the lake by one of those groups) and the general monkey-see-monkey-do tempest pickers, etc.

Dense, randomly manned team furballs per se aren't the problem.

[StokesAk]

I am one that has an Ego. 

[bustr]

Lately in the MA the Bish have been flying 20k hordes. I've been looking for a way to train the POTW in the same wing and group tactics Nomde taught me in the 56Th fighter Group. Some of you may remember the 56th in jugs held their own in that manner. The muppets side of the gallery will make noises about YUCCA and BlueKitty's 1vs1 prowress at this point. YUCCA and Kitty most often left their wing elements to find kills alone. Nomde was never a martinet about protocal. But he was an excellent teacher of multi JUGG tactics.

I want to break the 20k Bish hordes by making it uncumfortable to play that way. Just calling up the Pigs to follow me up to 20k will get them slaughtered by virtue of the MA's mentality of every man for himself making kills. But,, the Pigs will follow and give everything they have. I want to give them the tools and knowlege to slaughter the Bish hoard. The DA's fighter town is an excellent live fire parctice area to work on this. Only a fool can't see a tool's potential to enrich himself.

[Steve]

Lately in the MA the Bish have been flying 20k hordes. himself.

Thanks for going up there. I'll get the ones that run low.   

[Murdr]

And teamwork in the lake?  With random players?  You can't be serious. 

If that's teamwork, than another great example is how all those fish "team" up on those flakes when you sprinkle some fish food in the aquarium.

[bustr]

I figure about a month of meeting the POTW at 20k in a feeding frenzy will bring the Bish game play back to earth. POTW don't like going up that high either....but thats where the food has been hiding lately. I conducted an experiment last week. I flew an La7 around in a slow circle at 1000 feet under a bish alt hoard. I ran out of gas and "then" one of them tryed to vulch me as I landed in the water. Is it sqweeker season already????

I don't know what's changed with the Bish recently, but it seems for almost 2 months now they all fly as a hoard at 15K and above to take feilds. Maybe they are hiding from Steve. Last TT I came in above them at 25K in a Tempest to push them down so we could furball and stop getting gang picked. The hoard above the cloud layer dived down below 15K to my waiting piggies. Just a single knight Tempest above them, I counted at least 6 Tempests with them and they didn't even try to come back above the clouds. Maybe they thought I was Steve...

[moot]

Enough with your Muppets/Piggies made up BS already.  No one's gonna chime in about whatever Yucca/Kitty gossip you're asking for. No one actually cares. Knock it off.  You're starting to sound like some of the other users incessantly bringing up their paranoid theories about such or such group being goose stepping fascists.

Maybe you can also rag on Murdr for whatever obscure conspiracy... He's saying the same thing I do.  The gameplay in the DA lake is terrible.  There's no excusing it.  Some of us can easily go "practice SA".... But as an average player?   It's utterly bad gameplay.

[bustr]

The mantle of greatness is such a heavy burden for some. And so little adulation or respect from the unwashed masses "PEON" gallery once it is won.

I guess we skilless masses are so dumb we havent caught on that we are "PEON's" yet. My piggies are hungry, I can hear them sqweeling and snorting down in the dirt. Many hoards to snack on and miles to go before we sleep. Pigs will eat anything......and we have more fun than should be legal doing it...

Anyway yell at Nomde for teaching me how to fly wing elements. I'm only being a good member of my squad by teaching them. Isn't that what good squad members in this game do?

[SPKmes]

Due to a strange issue I have with my connection lately I have had to venture into the DA often, I have a great time and as moot said use it for SA training. I will cruise about and waste my ammo then head down to lower levels of the pit to hone my defensive maneuvers. Just the other day I had A great time and held up against a few fighters. I think there was a sixteen, 51, zero, fu4, and a spit 8/9 in the end. I have yet to watch the film and check out a couple of the maneuvers I managed to pull off but all in all a great experience. Some of the guys...yes are a little less than average but then again I'm no great stick. I have also managed to find some good guys that are like minded and even was invited to join into a 3 on 3 at another area which was sweet.
 
If you look at what has been said about the DA furball area yes it can be lame but just like the MA once you get a feel for the place you can still manipulate things enough to get a good couple of fights before being jumped.

[moot]

The mantle of greatness is such a heavy burden for some. And so little adulation or respect from the unwashed masses "PEON" gallery once it is won.

I guess we skilless masses are so dumb we havent caught on that we are "PEON's" yet.

Lame mischaracterization again.. I'll go to the DA with anyone anytime.. Answer all their questions.  I have a 190 clinic due as soon as I figure out a bulletproof plan for it.  Etc.
Flying in the DA lake with anything like average SA, acm craft and gunnery means you get nothing out of it unless you too follow the same bore-n-snooze tactics.  That's got absolutely nothing to do with whatever Evil Elitist conspiracy you wish you could tack on the guys you have whatever beef against.  Gameplay in the DA has gone way downhill, period. 

[waystin2]

Evil Elitist Conspiracy...

[moot]

Yeah it's those elitist top tier players ruining it for everyone else by pointing out what they're doing wrong.. It's a plot to make those players ... not improve by... not finding out what they could do better.  Straight dope is poisonous!  I don't want to hear anything about "tall poppy" nonsense, that's just bullying fud!

[bustr]

Moot,

Did any of us PEON's ask you to tell us what you think is wrong with us and how we play this game?

So because you are a DA monster we now have two classes of players in Aces High? The elite and trash? So why don't you old timers who lurk on this board and long for the old days stand up and declaire yourselves. Are you elite or are you trash? Based on Moots criterion I'm proud to be the TRASH. Didn't a bunch of looser trash kick a bunch of elite out of the american colonies in the 1700's because they got tired of being treated like trash? I thought HiTech gave you Sky Samurai the DA so you could re-live those good old glory days and keep the rest of us LOOSERS out of your hair?

Personaly I don't give a rats tooty about DAing anymore. Krapunski and Billyd are the Pigs resident DA monsters. I played back in those good old days of AW when the only fights you could get on week nights were 1 vs 1. I remember shooting down and being shot down by the same 10 or so guys on weeknights. Weekends I played from Friday night till sunday evening. 300$ phone bills, and all that nostalgia. Ive been there, done that, got the T shirt. And while I did, the sound card company I worked for was paying me to play Air Warrior. Can any of you remember far enough back to Medi Vision sound cards? Back then I liked playing Descent tourny better, but Air Warrior was the game I took support calls for. Descent Tourny reminds me of todays MA without the Fusion cannon or the Mega Missle thankfully.

Now days I like doing everything I can to help my squad mates get the most enjoyment in the game they can during the few hours they are paying their $14.95 a month for. So if wing tactics will get them more kills in the MA to enhance time spent with their freinds, so be it. I'll get the tools for them to do it. My herd of pigs are always hungry.