Questions about the Tiffie, not a whine :D

[StSanta]

Ok, just wondering if anyone experience "early 190A5 syndrome" with the Typhoon?

I.e it maneuvers well outside what one would expect. One outturned my 109G10 (admittedly, not too hard to do, but still). It comes over the top in a half loop very quickly indeed, and pulls into the vertical as if it was on rails.

I don't have any numbers, but I recall the 190A5 fix started with a similar post. If you remember, I wasn't too happy about the A5 fm once the novelty of being able to turn wore off and the analytic part of my mind overrode the pleasure center (doesn't happen often  ).

Did the Typhoon outturn the chog (which can be followed in a turn by a G10)? Did it pull into the vertical faster? Was it known to keep e well in turns?

Dunno much about the tiffie, but thought it to be somewhat like the A8 - heavy, but deadly.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[flakbait]

I just logged out 20 mins ago after Fatty got me twice flying a Tiffe. I watched him from my Ostwind just South of A18, and he was doing fine. The 190 near 18 looked a little off kilter, but Fatty's Typhoon wasn't doing anything I'd consider "Illegal". He'd pull rather nice wing-overs to roll in, zoom just fine up to about 3 or 4,000 feet. All in all from my point of view, it looked like a Typhoon that was perfectly normal.

I flew it a bit just before logging out. Can't say I'm terribly impressed by the performance since anyone worth their weight can pound one. Didn't get any kills with it, but the zoom seemed a tad strong from high speeds. I was around 350mph and tried zooming from 5k, just to see how things went. It carried me to almost 9k before stalling. The stall was gentile, almost a mirror of a 109 stall.




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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000

[Replicant]

I don't see anything wrong with the Tiffy as it is and it is nowhere comparable to the 190a5 in past versions as far as uber went.  The Tiffy still has many drawbacks such as not very good at alt, even above 10k you notice the difference.  Also the fuel doesn't last long at all so there is not much loitering available.  

I don't fly it that much but I like it how it is and at least it's more competitive now.

Nexx

[RAM]

I think the Torque is very weak. and I mean WEAK. This was a plane that with full rudder deflection yawed to the right so hard during the takeoff that some hangard had to be removed on RAF's Airfields!!!!!!!

Other than the torque (but it is a VERY important thing), the FM feels ok to me. Not a good E retainer in turns, can do some good moves on the vertical. The zoom seems very potent, dunno if it is OK or is a bit overdone.

And the low speed handling is very good. In a kite with the largest 4 bladed prop in the world and a monster engine like the napier sabre I think that the torque is WAY too few.

[funked]

The pilot accounts I have posted on this board indicate that the Typhoon was a handful on takeoff and in low speed flying.  It's pretty easy to take off in now IMHO.  But then none of the other planes seem to have much torque either.  I have a feeling this is due to something in the overall model, not a particular flaw in the Typhoon model.

As for energy-retention, Wells' calculations show it should be one of the better planes.

There simply aren't a lot of books in print on this plane (at least in the US) so I wish I knew more.

BTW Flakbait, all else being equal, heavy planes will zoom better than light planes when starting at high speeds.  Typhoon is outweighed only by the P-47, is about the same weight as the F4U, and has less drag than the P-47 or the F4U (which were two planes noted for ability to zoom).  The Typhoon should be (and is) a zoom monster at low levels.  Just because a Typhoon is below you, do not assume he has less energy.    


[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-21-2000).]

[Dowding]

You're right about the Torque RAM - that huge swinging prop. should manifest itself a little more (compared to the other planes).

Landing it can be a complete nightmare though (at least without rudder pedals) - at low speeds in rolls over into the tarmac very easily. I now use the L/R wheel brakes to steer it down the runway now. Far safer.

[flakbait]

I knew the Typhoon was heavy, but I had no idea it out-weighed everything but a Jug.

In regards to torque being shot, well we all know that. I'm still dreaming of the BETA torque and watching guys actually DIE taking off!




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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000

[Fishu]

In AH, Tiffie does some *quick* turns when it has some speed more than 160mph or so..
E-retention is bad in tiffie if you turn or fly without engines (perhaps worst gliding planes in AH) and RPMs aren't much of a help.
Tiffie can climb at least 2500fpm with 2000lbs of bombs and full fuel tank, sounds pretty amazing for the plane that is close to a P-47.

I don't know much of Typhoon, but I don't think it was like this in real life, because it sure weren't credited for being air to air fighter, which this AH tiffie does very well.

[Karnak]

I can't say anything for sure, I have no data to back it up, but it does "feel" like it performs too well to me.

It seems that if it had performed like it does in AH right now, RAF Fighter Command would not have been horribly disappointed by it and nearly canceled it.  The only thing that kept it in production was the fact that it was the only thing that could catch Fw190s on their low altitude nuisance raids.  It was intended to replace the Spitfire the same way the Spitfire had replaced the Hurricane.  That didn't happen because the Spitfire MkVb was a better fighter than the Typhoon.  In AH the Typhoon is a much better fighter than the Spitfire MkVb.  It was, more or less, a failure as a fighter.

But, unfortunately, all of this is just conjecture.  I have no performance data to back it up.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Hooligan]

Fishu wrote:

 

I don't know much of Typhoon, but I don't think it was like this in real life, because it sure weren't credited for being air to air fighter, which this AH tiffie does very well.

The MA is very unlike real-life.  Just for example, performance at altitude and range were much more important in the real world than they are in AH.  

Also aircraft reputations from the War always have to be taken in context.  Perhaps the typhoon got "bad reviews" because it was reviewed by spit jocks who disliked its poor turning ability (just like spit jocks hated the 47).  Other examples:  The P-40 is a pretty good turner but that is hardly its reputation because it often fought zeros.  The P-38 had a great reputation in the Pacific yet a poor reputation in the European theatre.

Hooligan

[Vermillion]

One reason it seems to perform better in AH than for the RAF command, is because the AH arena does NOT mirror what happened in the real battles.

The average combat altitude in the Main Arena is lower by about 10,000 ft or more, than that experienced in real life.

That makes the Tiffie much more competitive

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
In AH, Tiffie does some *quick* turns when it has some speed more than 160mph or so..
E-retention is bad in tiffie if you turn or fly without engines (perhaps worst gliding planes in AH) and RPMs aren't much of a help.
Tiffie can climb at least 2500fpm with 2000lbs of bombs and full fuel tank, sounds pretty amazing for the plane that is close to a P-47.

I don't know much of Typhoon, but I don't think it was like this in real life, because it sure weren't credited for being air to air fighter, which this AH tiffie does very well.

P-38 can climb at nearly 3000fpm with bombs, AND outweighs the P-47.

Something is porked!  

- Jig

[Wardog]

Ive spent 6 weeks now in the Typhoon. It does not turn well at low speed, it wont glide well with a dead engine.

It is a heavy AC and does zoom well.

I think it handles well at alt against other Zoomers, p51, 109g10 and so on.

Here is film of my Typhoon against 2 p51s ( Packrat & jstamutt went rook and hunted me, i thought i was on the way to Wing with them )
 http://mypage.direct.ca/w/wardog/surprise.zip


This is my Tiffy with Eaglers 109 low,on the deck and i did manage to stall trying to get a lead shot. Watch from F4 view..
 http://mypage.direct.ca/w/wardog/wd-eagler.zip

Also a hell of a good fight against magic in his Yak..
 http://mypage.direct.ca/w/wardog/wd-magic.zip


Enjoy.. Funked will get a kick outa the 1st film. My boys set me up for a fall  


Dog out.........

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
P-38 can climb at nearly 3000fpm with bombs, AND outweighs the P-47.

Something is porked!  

- Jig

Hmm *ponders whether any LW planes would get up in AH with more than 1500lb load*

[ra]

Speaking of torque, has anyone noticed that over the last few releases the torque seems to have be reduced for all planes?  Now you can take off with full power and wep with any fighter and hardly have to use any rudder to counteract the torque.  Stall fighting seems a bit easier too.  

ra