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Offline Motherland

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Computer freezing.
« on: April 04, 2009, 07:31:40 PM »
My computer (XP) has been freezing while browsing with FireFox and IE and while playing Empire: Total War... sometimes. I played Empire for several hours straight last  night without any hiccups, however today I couldn't go more than a half an hour without it freezing up. I haven't played AH since I started freezing, except for Wednesday and I played for over an hour without issues. The freezes only happen when A) I click on a link in FF or IE (it's random though, I'll be browsing fine fore 10-20 minutes and then it stops) or B) at the beginning of a turn in Empire.
It's not a complete freeze, I can still use my mouse and I have temporary use of whatever window I'm in (usually like 30 seconds or so). Then the window stops working, but I can bring up minimized windows from the taskbar, but I can't use the windows... I can't bring up the start menu or the task manager. Sometimes (about half of the time) I get a... I would say medium toned pitch beep that lasts until I turn off my computer. My performance has been normal in task manager. I defragged without really helping anything (didn't think it would, but I needed to defrag anyway). I also ran virus scans (which usually gum up my computer, but they were still able to run without issue, so I don't think that the problem is resource related).

Does anyone recognize these problems? Or have ideas to help me diagnose them?

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2009, 07:41:55 PM »
Could be hardware related, or something that is getting by your virus/malware scans (which ones are you using?).  Also, post your computer specs.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 07:55:28 PM »
I've got MalwareBytes AntiMalware and AVG 8. I ran both scans individually and at the same time (just to see if I would freeze up, honestly...)



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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 11:39:43 PM »
Suspecting it may be a temp problem I looked for a program that will tell me temperatures... the one I downloaded was called SpeedFan.

Hasn't been running for that long, and the side of the case is off.

According to it...
GPU 64C
CPU 60C
Int. Temp. 30C
Remote Temp. 52C
Temp. 65C
HD0 55C
Core 65C
Ambient 0C (It's a bit warmer than that in here so I'm not sure how it's calculating that temperature).

I don't know if these are good or bad, they seem a bit warm...



EDIT: put the side of the case back on and all the temps dropped to around 55C.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2009, 11:52:18 PM by Motherland »

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2009, 12:27:45 AM »
I believe it may be heat related.  I imagine those temps are at idle or near idle processing.  What you should do is Google a program called Prime95 (or Orthos) and run Speedfan as well.  Run the Blend Stress Test on Prime95 as it will do 100% load on your CPU and monitor your CPU temps.  60C for an idle temp is very hot, that's 140F.  I imagine your load temps are much higher, above 70C.

Also, your case seems to be pretty hot too.  Your hard drive is at 55C, which is quite warm.  HD's for the most part, should only be a few degrees above the ambient temp.

Get an air can and blow out all the dust.  Check the air intake and exhaust fans so that they are working and they are not clogged.  Your system is a few years old and if you've never cleaned it out, it's overdue.  Blow out the heatsink on the CPU and make sure its fan is getting a good amount of airflow.  Worse case scenario, pick up a tube of Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste and reapply it to the processor (if you've never done this before, it's fairly easy as there are plenty of how too guides on Arctic Silver's site and Youtube).

Then, after a cleaning monitor the temps again.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 07:00:10 PM »
Blew it out, temps were about the same. Still crashing. I think it's a virus or something, found this thread through google:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/486062-windows-xp-freezes-1-continuous-beep-4.html

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 08:40:59 PM »
IMO, AVG doesn't hold a candle to 'paid' virus protection programs, especially NOD32.  It will offer basic protection, but once you get into something serious, you might as well format if you've got AVG.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 09:14:57 PM »
This might seem too obvious but have you made sure that your mouse and keyboard are plugged in tightly?  A guy I work with sometimes has similar problems (the freezes, not the temps) and it's always the same thing... loose mouse or keyboard connection.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 09:21:11 PM »
Dont fret and format if you are infected.  Go here first:

www.malwareremoval.com

Go to their forums, Read the rules, and post your issue(s).  They have people who will help you clean your pc for no charge, and they are VERY good at it.  I had a nasty virus a few weeks ago and they got me back up and running fine in a week.  Leave a donation for them if you wish, I feel it is the right thing to do since they do this on their free time.

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 12:44:02 AM »
64c idle speed is way too high and will mean instability under load. You should see around 30-40c idle temperatures with stock coolers (except GPU which may run hot on silent fan profile).

Try adjusting GPU fan speed manually to 30% or higher and see if that fixes your crashing. I had a similar problem with my 4870 it was just running too hot on stock speed while automatic fan profile was on.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 06:41:09 AM »
i concer i think its a heat problem. classic sign of overheating somewhere

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 04:02:35 PM »
The thing is that I can run Ubuntu perfectly fine (I have a partitioned hard drive) so I'm kind of doubting it's a hardware problem.

But maybe ubuntu just runs better.... is there a program I can use for checking temps in  Ubuntu?

I want to buy a new computer later this year so I don't want to spend money that I don't need to o this one.

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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 04:18:19 PM »
What are you using ubuntu for?  I'm fairly green on linux, but you just may not be doing some CPU intensive stuff where your temps rise and cause problems.
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 04:21:56 PM »
Pretty much just internet and email... my games are on XP. However internet is one of the things that is causing freezes in XP.

Also, last time I froze I took notes of temps & CPU use

GPU 50C
CPU 61C
Int. Temp. 30C
Remote Temp. 54C
Temp. 50C
HD0 57C
Core 50C
Ambient 0C

Also 44% CPU use and 632 meg of RAM (out of 2 gigs)

Was running FF and Antivirus IIRC
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Re: Computer freezing.
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 04:54:46 PM »
the 61C on the cpu i would be a little concerned about ..  i run about 39C on my cpu. you using a stock cooler? maybe a small investiment in a aftermarket one will knock about 15c-20c off your temps. provided the heat hasnt cause and lasting affects.