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Offline Motherland

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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2009, 02:07:08 AM »
you really can't get slow with it because under 250 mph it suffers because it has no defense except the role and you can only get away with that for so long.
You can get away with roll long enough to run some aircraft out of ammo :)
Doing flat scissors is fairly effective if you've got friendlies nearby (the Dora can take a few hits). However the aircraft's ability to do rolling scissors, if the initial barrel roll doesn't work out, can be a real life saver. The climb rate isn't too shabby either, you're not going to be able to get away from Spitfires without some E but generally you can climb away from American aircraft.

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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2009, 10:06:39 AM »
Eh I don't know im starting to like the A5 great plane but i take the light gun package as it helps the roll rate a bit more. I used to fly the pony so switching was a bit difficult...and i never really thought about running in it cus well it cant or picking people...well if a guy is getting ganged I'll help out but that's about it.So if you have fought me you'll know i can give a decent fight with no running or dweebish move's even if im still learnin the damned thing  :aok
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2009, 01:35:44 PM »
Practise makes perfect rattler, you‘ll get there. <S>



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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2009, 02:53:57 PM »
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The same could be said for Spit 16s, La7s, P-51s, P-38s, F4Us, blah, blah, blah  :lol

It all depends on the pilot  :cool:

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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #80 on: April 12, 2009, 05:21:09 PM »
Did I hear p38?

To me P-38s are the biggets nuisance... usually just easy newbie kills, but once in a while a vet, who can really handle that plane.
I hate that kind of inconsistency :)


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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2009, 05:42:49 PM »
I just read your brilliant post.  :salute to you for the utter lack of hypocrisy. Oh, btw, in case anyone doesn't know, Hajo flies the P-47D-40 most of the time, one of the more disadvantaged fighters in LW at typical MA alts. People can say his advice about not playing directly to a turn-fighter's strengths is timid, I say a "timid" fighter pilot would be tooling around in something more uber


First of all....most aircraft were designed except for very few To E fight.

Example.  The US did not design the F6F hell cat or F4U, or F4F to turn fight with the Japanese Zero or Oscar.

The same withthe P38.  They were given speed, firepower and durability.  Couldn't climb with a Zeke or an Oscar.

In the ETO the USAF had the P38, P47 and later the P51.  They were not designed to stall fight or turn fight at 500 feet.

They were designed to fly just a bit higher to escort Bombers.

Now....the aircraft in question the FW190.  It wasn't designed to turn fight either.  It was designed to counter the SpitV.

It was designed to be fast, roll well, dive fast and be durable.  It was used to BnZ bombers and mix it up at escort altitude

with the Allies escort fighters.  The 190 was given heavy firepower for attacking bombers and the escort that got in the way.

This post has nothing to do with the History of the aircraft and on its' original use.

This is a reflection of gameplay and of cartoon aircraft in the game.

Since there are actually simmers playing this game if in a 190 I would use the attributes of my aircraft against any

deficiency of the opposing aircraft.  Fight my fight and not fight into the others strengths.  The idea is to win the fight.

There are also players in game that wish you to turnfight them because they are in a superior turning and climbing aircraft.

They will bait you etc. and maybe even call your integrity into question.

So if you up in a Zero,Spitfire etc don't get angry if you see a 190 around contolling the fight with Energy.

That is what the 190 was designed for....not to play the game your way because you are in a slower turnfighter.   :aok




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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #82 on: April 12, 2009, 06:06:36 PM »
I just read your brilliant post.  :salute to you for the utter lack of hypocrisy. Oh, btw, in case anyone doesn't know, Hajo flies the P-47D-40 most of the time, one of the more disadvantaged fighters in LW at typical MA alts. People can say his advice about not playing directly to a turn-fighter's strengths is timid, I say a "timid" fighter pilot would be tooling around in something more uber



I really respect both of the post and you  Hajo or so right, everyone wants the enemy to fight to his planes strength and when it doesn't happen then the name calling start's. Let me say this, I fly BnZ planes I don't really care for the turners. If I'm coming in behind someone and they turn there super turning plane into me I'm going to shoot them in the face and I have no problem with that, (remember you turned into me so take it like a man or woman). All this you don't play the game right crap is really starting to get old, just because its not right in your mind doesn't mean it's not right in mine. "I" pay that $15.00 a month to play so I'm going to play the way I won't and I really don't care how others play, because I'm not paying there money for them to play. And until this game is "free" and there or a set of rules saying you have to play the way we say, it's never going to be played to everyone's liking because we are all different. So play the game, take your whippings when they happen and give them back when you can and have fun.
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #83 on: April 12, 2009, 06:41:45 PM »
Cajunn, what you describe is an ineffective approach to BnZ.
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2009, 07:12:49 PM »
Dude, I beat you by at least 6 months.  I so rock  :rockhttp://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247471.0.html

"Ok.  In my opinion, the 190, all of them but especially the 190A8, is the most poorly flown plane in the game.

I am NOT a 190 guru.  In fact I don't even consider myself fair in them.  My skill in the 190 lies somewhere between the Hellcat and the P-38.  But, about a year ago I did a 'tour' in the 190A5 and I found it to be a capable plane in the MA.  I wasn't spectacular, but it can hold its own if you take the time to fly it.  A very memorable fight was when I ended up on the deck with a pair of P-47D40's on my 6.  These guys were just chewing me up, bit by bit.  Somehow, by utilizing the awesome roll rate to just keep jinking, and taking alot of 50 cal, I was able to evade maybe 2-3 hard minutes until a friendly swiped them both off.

Anyway, the 190 seems to be a 1 trick pony (pun intended) in the MA anymore.  Or maybe always.  Maybe I just never noticed.  I seem to catch nearly every 190A8 I've ever seen doing one of two things; occasionally both for variety.  They will either:
1.  Pork the radar (suicide optional); then the 1a. plan would be to reverse and shoot anything and everything on the field over and over until caught, pinned, and killed (or suicided).
2.  Vulch.  Plain and simple.  Run down the runway, reverse, do it again, reverse, and so on until caught, pinned, and killed...suicide is the 2a. plan.

Now, there is a variant.  This is the 'astro-190' (tm).  This guy comes in at high alt (high being whatever is higher than everyone else).  He sits, looks for a pick (or bnz if you will).  After his run, he might reposition and try again.  More likely, someone is going to force him down.  Then he's going to:
1.  Go to the deck and run.
1a.  Go to the deck and run, but then at D400 he's going to bury the stick left/right and start rolling uncontrollably (we don't need no stinking controlled flight here).

2.  Go to the deck, run to my field and then proceed to any of the options above.

3.  Go to the deck and then HO anything and everything he sees until he is caught, pinned, and killed.  Ram is optional.

In and of itself, it doesn't bother me all that much.  I don't see the fun in that, but it's not my $15.  So why post?  Because the 190 is a nice plane.  I mean, it's a really nice plane.  It's capable.  I've been pwned by guys like Dedalos and Storch and Trukill in them enough to know that it can outfly someone in a Spit (like me).  I suppose it takes some finesse to fly well, but it's not the hardest plane in the set to fly.  That honor goes to the P-38.

It makes me sad that so many folks don't take the time to learn the plane and, instead, use it in these ways.  The 190 was a capable and feared plane in WW2 and, in this game, it's a cannon platform for the suicide porker, vulch dweeb, and general lamer.  The plane is better than that.  Folks should take the time to realize this."
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #85 on: April 12, 2009, 07:29:21 PM »
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2009, 08:21:14 PM »
Cajunn, what you describe is an ineffective approach to BnZ.

How I play works for me! There is never a time when I quit for the night that I feel like my "ego" has been damaged in any way. If the day ever comes when I don't have fun getting on here and playing this game AH won't get my $15.00 anymore. Until then I'm going to play the way I want to and as long as I'm having fun I really don't care if I'm doing it right or wrong. And thank you sir, you just made my point for me.....whats right for you will never be right for me or a number of other players.  :salute


Oh, and to reply to the ineffective BnZ, just to answer your question on that I fight vertical, I drop in on the six of my selected target and if they break turn and I can't cut the corner I just pull straight up reverse my flight path and most of the time drop right back on there six. And most of my kills come on the reverse because for some reason after most do the first break turn they seem to think that by me pulling vertical that I'm just climbing for the clouds and I guess they lose there SA because that second break turn never happens and it turns into a kill. And I don't furball or do the 1v1, I'm usually found in defense of a base or trying to take one. 
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #87 on: April 12, 2009, 08:27:52 PM »
Did I hear p38?

When are you getting back online?  :cool:
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #88 on: April 12, 2009, 10:39:49 PM »
What you describe there is a much better description of BnZ.  I was just a little concerned because if you're taking "face shots" out of frustration when your target turns into you, you will be frustrated quickly.
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Re: Oh how I hate the 190's
« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2009, 10:49:26 PM »
How I play works for me! There is never a time when I quit for the night that I feel like my "ego" has been damaged in any way. If the day ever comes when I don't have fun getting on here and playing this game AH won't get my $15.00 anymore. Until then I'm going to play the way I want to and as long as I'm having fun I really don't care if I'm doing it right or wrong. And thank you sir, you just made my point for me.....whats right for you will never be right for me or a number of other players.  :salute

A lot of tactics aren't really subjective like you imply.  The "right" way to do things gives you the most effective angles while minimizing risk.  I'm not saying you are doing something wrong, but doing things as right as you can definitely makes things more fun in the long run.   :aok