Author Topic: IMPLEMENT THE STUKA (Read 1879 times)

Greedz · « **on:** August 14, 2001, 10:09:00 AM »

I think it would be a very cool idea to add the Junkers Ju.87 'Stuka' Dive Bomber to the aces high arsenal.

A little info
From 1942 on the Ju 87G-1 was a dedicated anti-tank aircraft on the eastern front. It was fitted with a 1400hp Junkers Jumo 211J engine. It had a maximum speed of 314km/h, a ceiling of 8000m and a very limited range of only 320km. The reduced speed and range was due to the armour plating installed to protect the pilot and gunner when flying low-level tank busting missions. It was armed with two 30mm cannons in pods under the wings and a 7.92mm machine gun in the back for the gunner.

Jimdandy · « **Reply #1 on:** August 14, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »

I would love to see the Stuka added. We have the Il2 now we need the Stuka.

Bluefish · « **Reply #2 on:** August 14, 2001, 12:09:00 PM »

If (as it appears) we're going to get the TU 2, then all we need is the Stuka and a Russian tank to set AH up for a squeakin' major Eastern Front scenario in the fall!

Buzzbait · « **Reply #3 on:** August 14, 2001, 03:30:00 PM »

S!

I think it would be a good idea to add the Stuka. It wouldn`t survive in the MA, but would be a good addition for the CA and for Scenarios. I think the Ju87D would be the best choice. It is a midwar Stuka, and would fit in with the Spit V, Hurri IIC, 109F4, 190A5 etc. It would be great for a Malta or Desert based CA. Or even an earlier East Front CA.

By the way, the G model had 37mm guns under the wings, not 30mm. They were adapted from an early war Werhmacht AT gun.

Dowding · « **Reply #4 on:** August 14, 2001, 03:44:00 PM »

I want the stuka - a lot. Maybe in v1.09?

I believe the G-1 made its combat debut at Kursk as a major force, and even them the Ju-87 D was more numerous. Not sure on that.

Hristo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 14, 2001, 04:11:00 PM »

G model Stuka would be nice, but also the one with Mg 151/20.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 14, 2001, 04:34:00 PM »

LW currently needs the following:

Jabo: Me-410 B-2
Anti-tank platform: Ju-87 G-1
Heavy bomber: Either He-177, Do-217, Ju-290, Ju-188

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** August 14, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »

Ding,

The LW only needs two planes in order to be able to do it all by itself, the Me410A-1 or Me410B-2 and the Ju52.

The bomber issue is not as bad as you make it out to be.

The Ju88A-4 has the same bombload as the B-17G in AH. True, it can't defend itself like the B-17 or carry the bombload of the Lancaster, but it CAN get the job done. The heavier LW bombers would be nice to have, but they are not absolutely needed.

An Me410 bomber would be a far, far better tank killer than any Ju87, even the Ju87G.

The Ju87G, like the Hurricane MkIId that is coming in 1.08, would be mostly a CT or scenario aircraft. Eventually it will have to be added, the Ju87 is too important an aircraft not to, but I would much rather see the next German aircraft be a Me410 fighter/bomber.

Staga · « **Reply #8 on:** August 14, 2001, 05:03:00 PM »

Karnak:
AH's Spit IX is having same armament as XIV. True, it doesn't have the speed of XIV but it CAN get the job done. Faster RAF fighters would be nice to have, but they are absolutely not needed.

<Just kidding but think about that one again>

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** August 14, 2001, 05:13:00 PM »

Sorry- I'm with Karnak on this one. The Stuka would be "cool" to have, but I'd rather see the Me-410. The 410 was used as a bomber interceptor AND a fighter-bomber, so I'd rather have that than the Stuka.

And NO, the Germans don't need a heavy bomber. Well, not in my opinion anyway. If you want to defend yourself, fly a B17 (pretend it is a captured one if it means that much to you, the LW captured buckets of those). If you want to drop a lot of bombs, fly the Lancaster. If you absolutely, positively MUST fly a German bomber, use the Ju88. I don't think it is worth the amount of time needed just to have a "heavy" German bomber.

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** August 14, 2001, 05:22:00 PM »

Staga,

I don't even think it would be nice to have the Spitfire MkXIV. I do think it would be nice to have a LW heavy, which is ahead of my opinion of the Spit XIV.

They just don't "need" the heavy.

And yes I agree that the RAF planeset doesn't need the RAF aircraft I actually want, the Mosquito FB.VI. Beat ya to it.

When I referenced the Me410 and Ju52 I was being generous with the inclusion of the Me410, the Fw190F-8 CAN kill tanks, but the Me410 would actually be good at it.

The Ju52 is needed for the LW fans to be able to fly nothing but LW aircraft so that they can capture bases.

juzz · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2001, 09:33:00 PM »

He 111 carried paratroops. It has better performance and defense than Iron Annie, and it can even be used as a level bomber!

Staga · « **Reply #12 on:** August 14, 2001, 11:43:00 PM »

Also He-177 and Ju-290 carried troops

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** August 14, 2001, 11:45:00 PM »

The Short Stirling carried troops and acted as a glider tug.

BlauK · « **Reply #14 on:** August 15, 2001, 03:12:00 AM »

Howabout having some of those armed troop carrying planes have the ability to carry 5 troops only?

This way one could either carry 10 troops alone and unarmed.... or two guys could go in armed and carry 5 troops each.

C-47 would not become useless

If Ju52 comes with a mg and 10 troops no-one will use C-47 anymore.

Another option would be to allow 20 troops in unarmed C-47 while armed transport planes (whatever type) would carry 10 troops.