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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2009, 06:24:59 AM »
How strong is stomach acid?

its HCL and pretty dam strong iirc.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2009, 06:34:44 AM »
I almost never drink soda. High fructose corn syrup is baaaaaaaad for the body. And even worse for the brain.

For anyone out there that has problems with being tired or pain in your muscles get rid of the corn syrup from the diet.

+1

Interestingly, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. is the only country that uses high fructose corn syrup in their soda... This is why soda has such a distinctively different taste in say Mexico or Japan. This summer Coca Cola will be launching a "limited edition" sugar-based coke in the U.S. So if you're a fan of soda and want to get the HFCS out of your diet be sure to stock up this summer!

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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2009, 12:32:29 PM »
Whats "pop?"
Pop is what northerners call Coke. I'm from N. Carolina. We drink all the different varieties of Coke. You know, Pepsi, Mt. Dew, 7 Up, and especially RC Cola (Moon Pie anyone?). And they're all called Coke. :)

I have a can or 2 a week, never the diet stuff (aspartame has a really nasty aftertaste imo).
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2009, 06:10:39 PM »
Yeah.... but circuit boards aren't covered in stomach acid are they?

How strong is stomach acid? It ruins paint too, doesn't it? Factor in the fact that soft drinks don't just 'sit' in one place whilst in your body or stay in there for very long.... I reckon it's all a load of crap.

I used to work in a cash security center (ie we stocked banks with cash).

We used coke to clean coins. We'd basically through dirty coins in big glass jars and fill em with coke, leave em overnight and wash em off the next day. One day someone put the coin in a tin can and filled it with coke, the next day we can in to a huge mess as the coke had eaten through the bottom of the tin can.

I used to drink loads of coke/pepsi, these days only diet stuff, but usually I'm just in for a cuppa tea. I'm down to usually zero cans of coke a day now (and half a dozen or so cups of tea). It's cheap and better for the body.

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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2009, 07:21:47 PM »
No doubt it's not good for you.

I'm just not convinced that coke is any stronger than stomach acid. If your stomach is designed to house it and digest food and liquid that has gone through the stomach.... I'm not sure that coke would make a bit of difference.

Coke would seem to me to be well within the stomach's 'load limit', if you know what I mean.

And with the tin can... is that a reaction due to certain properties of the tin?

Coke doesn't sit unmoving in your stomach all night, either.

Tea is bloody good though... very relaxing.

I piss like a racehorse when I drink it though... so I don't like drinking it when I'm out... I have to run off to piss every 20 minutes.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2009, 08:05:31 PM »
stomach acid: strong enough to eat yourself with.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2009, 08:32:04 PM »
Kinda funny but after reading this forums I am going to stop drinking pop...for the most part.  No longer will I keep any in the house and will only have it once in a while while eating out.  True or not about the stuff in pop it can't be good for you.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2009, 08:35:31 PM »
eg the water thing. dehydration certainly has a very noticeable effect on concentration. maybe you can live without water if your diet includes large amounts of fresh fruit and vegetables. a diet of burgers and fries will not come close to providing enough water. underhydrating does have harmful effects, overhydrating requires very large quantities of water. if you drink 8 glasses of water a day, you will avoid dehydration but wont come close to consuming too much water. it is therefore a good rule of thumb. the figures provided can only apply to a sedentary lifestyle, if you do any kind of exercise at all 8 glasses seems reasonable. anyone who has done any kind of physical training will know that 8 glasses doesnt even come close.

as for the phosphoric acid, they imply that because the concentration is so low, it will have negligible effects. rubbish. coke is not only an excellent degreaser but will even eat through circuit board components and insulators quite happily. I have replaced numerous console boards and modules and the culprit has almost always been - cans of coke spilt on the desk. im not a medic so cant say how it effects the GU system though.
You didn't actually read the articles, did you?   :lol

Quoting (bold mine):
"Additionally, the idea that one must specifically drink water because the diuretic effects of caffeinated drinks such as coffee, tea and soda actually produce a net loss of fluid appears to be erroneous.  The average person retains about half to two-thirds the amount of fluid taken in by consuming these types of beverages, and those who regularly consume caffeinated drinks retain even more."

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"'We found no significant differences at all,' says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author.  'The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it.  It is not."

As for your acid theory:

Quoting (bold mine):
"Coca-Cola does contain small amounts of citric acid and phosphoric acid; however, all the insinuations about the dangers of these acids might pose to people who drink Coca-Cola ignore the simple concept familiar to any first-year chemistry student:  concentration.  Coca-Cola contains less citric acid than does orange juice, and the concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere 11 to 13 grams per gallons of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 percent of the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail overnight . . . Besides, the gastric acid in your stomach is much stronger than any of the acids in Coca-Cola, so the Coca-Cola is harmless."

In other words - Soda is harmless, despite what the alarmists are trying to sell you.

Looking to cut calories so you do not become overweight?  By all means, drink diet sodas.  But don't believe the hype the scaremongers are pedaling.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2009, 09:45:03 PM »
Like I said in my OP, I tend to drink about 2 24 packs of pop a week, usually Dr. Pepper(Cherry, Cherry & Vanilla), Mt. Dew, or Coke, last year in June I developed esophageal ulcers and couldn't eat for a week, even drinking water hurt like all hell, spent 3 days in the hospital, probably all the pop that did it, but I still drink a crap load of it, I'm just to addicted to the stuff to give it up.

Ran outta my pop today, so I have to drink my dads 7up, which I really don't like, but it's pop, no caffeine in it so I have to supplement it with a couple Excedrin so I don't get a headache.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2009, 10:10:40 PM »
+1

Interestingly, I'm pretty sure that the U.S. is the only country that uses high fructose corn syrup in their soda... This is why soda has such a distinctively different taste in say Mexico or Japan. This summer Coca Cola will be launching a "limited edition" sugar-based coke in the U.S. So if you're a fan of soda and want to get the HFCS out of your diet be sure to stock up this summer!

Tim

Its not just Coke or Pepsi or any other soft drink either. Take a look at Gatorade, Powerade or any other "sports drink" on the market. They are all made with HFCS and I remember when Gatorade made the switch around the same time as Coca-Cola. The taste changed completely and it became easier to drink an entire quart when a 12-16oz bottle or can was plenty to cover the thirst.

Why do you think it is so easy to guzzle an entire 32oz bottle of Gatorade or Powerade.

It isn't because you are dehydrated or thirsty...

HFCS doesn't let your brain realize that you have had enough.

We have tried to cut out all soft drinks and sports drinks in our house or at least curb the sports drinks to one 8 oz serving with water immediately afterward.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2009, 12:49:08 AM »
slightly a hijack but I don't drink coke or other such things but, and I mean a big wide spreading but like the lady who sits in front of you in church on a sunday, I drink a 30 can block of Tooheys New a week and thats without counting beers at the pub or club. A grand total of 1560 cans of beer a year (50% of these being consumed while logged into AHII) at $40.00 a block, $2080.00 a year.
2080/2 = 1040
20.23 * 12 = 242.76

AHII yearly cost including beer $1282.76

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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2009, 08:05:58 AM »
You didn't actually read the articles, did you?   :lol

I realise that snopes is unscientific in its approach, but thats no reason to discard everything they do, so yes I did bother reading them. :)

the bit you quoted was about drinking caffeine drinks. take our 8 glasses of water, that corresponds to 12 glasses of coke (96floz) for the same fluid intake. whats the difference apart from the water content?
1164 cal
324g carb
396mg sodium
492mg phosphorous
276mg caffeine
plus unknown quantities of other stuff.

I dont see how you can conclude that its harmless when it uses up so much of our RDA of the above for no nutritional benefit at all.

as for the acidity, classic coke is about 2.5 pKa, gastric acid is about 2pKa so alot closer than I thought. bear in mind that the section of our gastric system before the stomach (mouth to cardiac sphincter) is not designed to tolerate acidity in the same way as the stomach. just because drinking a can doesnt disslove your teeth immediately doesnt mean it wont over a long period. their conclusion that coke is therefore harmless is plainly false.

this is my problem with snopes - some unqualified web-hack spends 10 minutes googling and comes up with a conclusion which contradicts all the peer-reviewed research on the subject.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2009, 02:19:39 PM »
Last years new years resolution was to give up drinking soda (with the exception of soda used for a mixed drink, I like whiskey and rum in it :D ).

I lost weight because of it and saved some cash.  I prefer water now.
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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2009, 02:26:40 PM »
I drink 2-4 cans of soda a day.

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Re: How much pop do you drink?
« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2009, 05:27:40 PM »
I drink 2-4 cans of soda a day.

I used too, flicking over to tea made a huge difference in the way I feel now.