HE-177

[dragon40]

Since I’m doing a lot of dreaming today I thought I would ask if we could get a real German bomber. Seeing that we have almost all the allied bombers short of the b-29 which we aren’t getting any time soon if ever. Sense the HE-177 was the only production heavy bomber for the Germans it should be include but that’s just my opinion.   

[Krusty]

Only if you model in random engine fires/explosions as part of it.

The He177 wasn't used much. It was a test bed for a lot of flying bombs and such, but what we really need are earlier bombers, and more common ones. Like Ju188s, or even Ju388s.

Just because it's the only "heavy" bomber doesn't mean it's needed. The soviet union only had 1 or 2 "heavy" bombers but were rarely used and produced in minimal numbers.


Oh, and FYI the Ju88 carries the same amount of ord in-game as the B17G does. How's that for "heavy"?

[Anaxogoras]

Do-217 would be a better choice for a German bomber.

[dragon40]

I totally agree that it had a lot of problems that the Germans didn’t spend the time to iron out before it was too late. How ever the guns ordnance lay out speed rang and altitude makes it the only real competitor with the b-29. As far as the ju-88 it was extremely ineffective in rang speed and fire power. But modeling bombers appropriately doesn’t seem to be a concern seeing that just about every bomber that ups is a set of lances and that was the most unsurvivable bomber of the war. Yet in the game they have become very hard to kill even to the extent of making kill shots from the tail gun at 1k. Which was unheard of even for 24’s and 17’s with big 50’s out the tail.

[StokesAk]

No i think it should stay the same, that was i can keep killing Ju88's instead of some buff w/ 20mm's.

[Shifty]

Only if you model in random engine fires/explosions as part of it.

This is the second time in a week I've seen thius type of statement come into a wish list thread.
If you're going to demand things of this nature to be modeled, why not make the same demands of aircraft in the game already like the ME-163?

Just curious...

[Krusty]

Compared to the 177, the 163 was quite refined and reliable!

2 engines side by side sharing a common gearbox to spin a prop, no government keeping one from going faster than the other. These things were a bad design from the get-go.

[Cthulhu]

The 177 has been suggested in several past threads. It certainly saw more use than say, the Wirbel did, so there's ample justification to add it. Frankly, I'd like to see it, but not being able to model in the terrible engine/gearbox reliability would be a major crutch for the plane. Maybe HTC could just have it fly around permanently on fire like Zekes.

[Shifty]

I found this 95% of the Me 163 loses were due to landing accidents or fires in the air. 

Here http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/aircraft/losses.asp


This bird was a bigger danger to it's pilots than it was to enemy. Again if we're going to get concerned with issue like reliability
the best place to start IMO would be the ME-163. YMMV.

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[Cthulhu]

I found this 95% of the Me 163 loses were due to landing accidents or fires in the air. 

Here http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/aircraft/losses.asp


This bird was a bigger danger to it's pilots than it was to enemy. Again if we're going to get concerned with issue like reliability
the best place to start IMO would be the ME-163. YMMV.

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My favorite part of the 163 program was the special truck intended to flip the plane back upright before the fuel exploded or simple "dissolved" the pilot.

[dragon40]

Cthulhu hit the nail on the head. Every time you try and take a base any more all you see out is wirbles. And quit frankly this is such a miss representation of historical accuracy. And even more if HTC is going to model reliability issues starting with the tiger tanks mechanical problems would be on my list fallowed by the Sherman’s weak armor and tendency to explode due to being regular gasoline powered in the early version. The only rezone the wirble is even in the game is to reduce vulching. Although the majority or the German air power was destroyed on the ground but historical accuracy doesn’t seam to be an issue either.

[Cthulhu]

Compared to the 177, the 163 was quite refined and reliable!

2 engines side by side sharing a common gearbox to spin a prop, no government keeping one from going faster than the other. These things were a bad design from the get-go.

Why would you need a governor? How exactly could one engine go faster than the other? The gearbox handled that. Possibly different torques due to unequal boost yes (again no biggie), but RPM's would be identical.

The problem was chronic overheating of the drivetrain coupled with endless oil leaks.

[slimmer]

     

[Krusty]

Don't bring up wirbles. They've been discussed ad nauseum. They fire over 2x as fast as they ever could historically, and the turret spins/aims about 3x or more faster than ever could historically.

The thing is a farce in this game, and deserves a 70-point perk price.

[sethipus]

The wirble is just fine.  It offers ground forces a modicum of protection, and that was badly needed.  There's nothing worse than being in a good GV battle and some arsewipes show up in IL-2s and A-20s and just bomb everything.  And this still happens anyway since the IL-2 got the twin 37mm guns and became an holy terror to tanks.  Still, the wirble offers a sufficiently motivated and organized ground force a chance.  It's good for the game as-is.

Unless you're an IL-2 or A-20 dweeb who is just mourning the loss of your the ability to pound attacking tank forces into the ground more or less at will, with the Ostwinds and M-16s unable to offer sufficient deterrence.  Then, I suppose, the wirble is just awful.

But we're hijacking a thread on the HE-177.

Sure, bring it on.  But on any list of bomber priorities, the HE-111 and some others really would have to be higher up than the HE-177.