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Offline caldera

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stupidest question ever
« on: April 17, 2009, 11:37:47 AM »
What makes one plane turn better than another? 

For instance, why does the 190A8 roll so well but turn like crap? Why does the zero turn so well but not roll that great?
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 11:55:32 AM »
Basic aerodynamics.

Your question really has no simple answer though.

Wing loading greatly affects turn rate, but there are many other factors.

Aspect ratio and aileron design greatly affect roll rate, but there are many other factors.

Google has answers to all of your questions, you just have to learn what to search for.
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »
One of the major reasons in wing loading. Wing loading is basically weight of the aircraft divided by the wing area.
If the wing is small (like on 190) and the aircraft is heavy (like a 190), then the wing loading will be high. Now if you take something like a spitfire with it's huge wings and a light airframe you get a low wing loading there for your airplane can turn tighter, fly slower, and climb faster. Airplanes like a 190, need a higher speed for take off and perform better at higher speeds (better than at low speeds that is).
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 11:01:50 PM »
Same with a Zero, it has a large wing area with an extremely light frame, and might extremely light I mean they sacrificed every little piece of protection and stamped holes in everything to bring it down to around 5,000 - 6,000 lbs.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 11:54:43 PM »
same with all airplanes ever a C-47. I just used the spitfire and 190 as an example.
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2009, 07:43:13 AM »
Not a stupid question.



Stupid is not asking. :aok


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Offline caldera

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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 09:31:44 AM »
Oh, I already knew the answer. I just wanted to see if you guys did.  ;)

Thanks for the replies.
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2009, 12:13:05 PM »
Quote from: caldera on April 17, 2009, 11:37:47 AM
What makes one plane turn better than another? 

For instance, why does the 190A8 roll so well but turn like crap? Why does the zero turn so well but not roll that great?


i'm not an expert./.......but consider racing a 69 cadi deville against a 69 corvette, around watkins glen.  :D
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2009, 12:31:21 PM »
It's a safe bet that the Caddy would roll better (and over) than the Vette. Good analogy.  :D
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2009, 01:13:08 PM »
Quote from: caldera on April 18, 2009, 12:31:21 PM
It's a safe bet that the Caddy would roll better (and over) than the Vette. Good analogy.  :D

yes....it would roll with total awesomeness. but it wouldn't turn for poop. onthe other hand, the vette would turn with awesomeness, but it wouldn't roll for poop.  :D
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2009, 01:25:39 PM »
So the Vette would be what, around 10 ENY? Would have to perk the L-88 though. I'd probably be in the Rambler - it's a 40 ENY secret weapon!  :)
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2009, 02:31:27 PM »
Quote from: caldera on April 18, 2009, 01:25:39 PM
So the Vette would be what, around 10 ENY? Would have to perk the L-88 though. I'd probably be in the Rambler - it's a 40 ENY secret weapon!  :)
lol

hhmm......wonder what car the p38 would be equivalent to?
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2009, 04:15:44 PM »
An F-100?  ;)
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2009, 04:29:56 PM »
Quote from: caldera on April 18, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
An F-100?  ;)

maybe?

i was tinking like a grand torino......it's pretty fast, and will handle fairly well when flown right........
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Re: stupidest question ever
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 04:54:10 AM »
Thumb rule here is wing loading, but that's just a thumb rule.
The roll rate is entirely a different issue.
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