P-51 E

[FYB]

And now you know why I think you're not very intelligent.


ack-ack

Seems to me, that you yourself can't see the stupidity that you show.

You argue with someone for what, a small, yet to your opinion stupid post? I just gave him a heads-up, its not entitled that i read everyone's posts when hes the one with the idea. You're starting an argument for, well, nothing really.

Goes to show how much of a genius you are.

-FYB

[StokesAk]

LoL, this is the worst thread ever.  Welcome to generation Xbox.

[moot]

Seems to me, that you yourself can't see the stupidity that you show.

You argue with someone for what, a small, yet to your opinion stupid post? I just gave him a heads-up, its not entitled that i read everyone's posts when hes the one with the idea. You're starting an argument for, well, nothing really.

Goes to show how much of a genius you are.

-FYB

Don't take this the wrong way, but aren't you 14 years old, and just dismissed from that jolly rogers navy squad?

[StokesAk]

Im 14

[FYB]

Don't take this the wrong way, but aren't you 14 years old, and just dismissed from that jolly rogers navy squad?

No, second, yes (bout maybe a month or more ago). But it was for something, other than that.

 


-FYB

[Enker]

well... this much I know. Since I'm only 3 months old in the game I've learned that flying a spit it's easy to kill a P-51, but if I'm flying a P-51 those spits are a bugger to kill - sometimes. I think my biggest problem is a tend to over-steer (heavy handed on the stick and forget to use throttle and flaps with the pony as much as I should). Since I can't use flaps above 120 on a spit I've learned to use the throttle very effectively. The only aircraft then that gives me fits is the Corsair which is an excellent slow TnB fighter that can use throttle and flaps like the mustang, but has a much slower stall speed. I can't fly the blasted corsair cause I can stinkin see outa the darned thing. But I LOVE killin them!   

If you want to fight a good corsair pilot, check out the VF-17/VF-31 and VMF-251 COs and XOs. Those navy based squads use the Hellcat and COrsair primarily. Plus they are a great bunch of people.

[Jag34]

A little more reading and you would've found that it was never used in combat.

Now I just found this on-line about the different P-51's.


P-51H (NA-126/129) lightweight version similar to XP-51F except longer fuselage, taller fin
V-1650-9A twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin 1,380 hp /take-off, 2,218 hp/at altitude w/water injection

6585lbs empty, 9500lbs normal, 11,500lbs max
1380 hp @ takeoff , 2218 hp war emergency power @ 10,200 ft., 1900 hp @ 20,000 ft w/water injection
444 mph at 5000 ft, 463 mph at 15,000 ft, and 487 mph at 25,000 ft
5000ft in 1.5 minutes, 15,000ft in 5 minutes
Six 0.5-in wing guns
555 NA-126 s completed, 1,445 NA-129s cancelled

First flown by Bob Chilton on February 3, 1945, whether or not the P-51H participated in combat in World War II is still controversial

Here is the Site:
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-51_Variants.html

The first line says the H model was the same of the F model but with a longer fuselage

The last line on the spec. for the H model is interesting.

Enjoy

[Strip]

Some of the P-51A's (more accurately Mustang Mk.I's) did come with four 20 millimeter cannons and saw combat service.

Seeing a cannon equiped P-51 is not impossible given the current requirements.

It was quickly evident that performance, although exceptional up to 15,000 ft (4,600 m), was markedly reduced at higher altitudes. This deficiency was due largely to the single speed, single stage supercharger of the Allison V-1710 engine, where power diminished rapidly above the critical altitude rating. Prior to the Mustang project, the USAAC had Allison concentrate primarily on turbochargers in concert with General Electric; these proved to be exceptional in the P-38 Lightning and other high-altitude aircraft, in particular, the Air Corp's four-engine bombers. Most of the other uses for the Allison were for low-altitude designs, where a simpler supercharger would suffice. The turbocharger proved impractical in the Mustang, and it was forced to use the inadequate supercharger available. Still, the Mustang's advanced aerodynamics showed to advantage, as the Mustang Mk.I was about 30 mph (48 km/h) faster than contemporary Curtiss P-40 fighters, using the same powerplant (the V-1710-39 producing 1,220 hp (910 kW) at 10,500 ft (3,200 m), driving a 10 ft 6 in (3.2 m) diameter, three-blade Curtiss-Electric propeller).[7] The Mustang Mk.I was 30 mph (48 km/h) faster than the Spitfire Mk VC at 5,000 ft (1,500 m) and 35 mph (56 km/h) faster at 15,000 ft (4,600 m), despite the British aircraft's more powerful engine.[8]

The first production contract was awarded by the British for 320 NA-73 fighters, named Mustang Mk.I by the British (the name being selected by an anonymous member of the Purchasing Commission). Two aircraft of this lot delivered to the USAAC for evaluation were designated XP-51.[9] About 20 Mustang Mk.Is were delivered to the RAF, making their combat debut on 10 May 1942. With their long range and excellent low-level performance, they were employed effectively for tactical reconnaissance and ground-attack duties over the English Channel, but were thought to be of limited value as fighters due to their poor performance above 15,000 ft (4,600 m).

A second British contract called for 300 more (NA-83) Mustang Mk.I fighters. In September 1940, 150 aircraft, designated NA-91 by North American, were ordered under the Lend/Lease program. These were designated by the USAAF as P-51 and initially named Apache, although this was soon dropped and the RAF name, Mustang, adopted instead. The British designated this model as Mustang Mk.IA. The Mustang Mk IA was identical to the Mustang Mk I except that the wing-mounted machine guns were removed and replaced with four long-barrelled 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannon.

A number of aircraft from this lot were fitted out by the USAAF as F-6A photo-reconnaissance aircraft. The British would fit a number of Mustang Mk.Is with similar equipment. Also, two aircraft of this lot were fitted with Packard-built Merlin engines.[10][11] These were identified as the Model NA-101 by North American and XP-78 by the USAAF, later redesignated XP-51B.

On 23 June 1942 a contract was placed for 1,200 P-51As (NA-99s), later reduced to 310 aircraft. The P-51A was the first version to be procured as a fighter by the USAAF, and used a new Allison V-1710-81 engine, a development of the -39, driving a 10 ft 9 in (3.3 m) diameter, three bladed Curtiss-Electric propeller. The armament was changed to four wing-mounted .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns, two in each wing, with a maximum of 350 rpg for the inboard guns and 280 rpg for the outboard. Other improvements were made in parallel with the A-36, including an improved, fixed air duct inlet replacing the moveable fitting of previous Mustang models and the fitting of wing racks able to carry either 75 gal (284 l) or 150 gal (568 l) drop tanks, increasing the maximum ferry range to 2,740 mi (4,410 km) with the 150 gal (568 l) tanks. The top speed was raised to 409 mph (658 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,000 m). 50 aircraft were shipped to England, serving as Mustang Mk.IIs in the RAF.[12]

This was pulled off of Wiki....not a great source but certainly verifiable. I believe it also had the same bubble canopy as the later B model. Other than performance and the model of engine this isnt far from what he is asking for.

Regards

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

That's surprising.. Then again I don't know exactly what the late war and post-war and rare field mods were for the P38, so it doesn't tell me much.  IIRC the 51H and F7F were both in combat duty when war ended.  They didn't shoot anything down (or shot down something, can't recall what) but IMO pass that criteria. It was simple bad "luck" that they didn't get any trigger time.

The only "field modifications" were the boost and RPM being turned up to actual Lockheed/Allison specifications by some units who were "educated" by Lockheed and Allison field personnel (yields a top speed of 442MPH according to factory test data). There were supposedly a few in the field with different gun packages.

The only P-38 that was a better performer than a P-38L-x-Lo (the "x" being a 1, a 5, or a 10, depending on the production block) was the P-38K prototype. One actual prototype was built from scratch, no photos exist, and one was created from a factory test mule. Data can be found at the link entitled "Whatever Happened to the P-38K?" at Widewing's site.

The "turned up" P-38L-x-Lo saw combat, and scored, from around 6-7/44 on, but will almost certainly never exist in the AH world, and if it does it will almost certainly be perked, probably heavily.

[moot]

Thank you.

[LLogann]

Are you talking about the P-51M ?   The M is the Dallas model.

It was actually planned but never developed:

P-51E: designation planned for Dallas P-51 But not used, aircraft completed as P-51 D-NT

[Ack-Ack]

First flown by Bob Chilton on February 3, 1945, whether or not the P-51H participated in combat in World War II is still controversial

Why is it controversial?  There is absolutely no evidence of any H model seeing combat in the Pacific and it was deemed unsuitable for combat operations in Korea.  What evidence is there that proves otherwise?

ack-ack

[moot]

I might be wrong but I think Widewing said the H shot something or other down in the short time it was on combat duty.  Maybe I'm thinking of the F8F or F7F.

[AWwrgwy]

Are you talking about the P-51M ?   The M is the Dallas model.

P-51C and P-51K were built in Dallas.  Never heard of a P-51M.  Never heard of a P-51E for that matter.

wrongway

[budika]

OMG! I would love to see a Korean war arena. can you imagine the fun to be had flying the saber?WOW