No P51H in Aces High

[juzz]

Guess what? We don't decide which planes get added to AH, so our "selection criteria" don't count for squat. It's up to HTC to decide.

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

LOL  ur right theyll do whatever is in the best interest and best judgement for the sim.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Nath-BDP]

Guess what? Juzz doesn't pay for Aces High so hes going to think our selection criteria doesn't count.

[M.C.202]

GRUNHERZ said:
> Hi Guess what fellas? All my sources show that a total 0 read as "not a single one"
> P51H saw combat.
> thanks
> GRUNHERZ

To quote a fine post on a related thread (mine :-)

This whole concept is based on "if it did not fly in combat (as I define combat) before the end of WWII, it does not belong in this game".

If you use the "must have historicaly flown combat", will you also live with the historic use ratio of types?

Out of all fighter action in late 1945, what was the % of Ta 152 flights? That would give, say 10 flights a year total for a Ta 152 to be split between all players in AH?

Over Germany, what % of flights were in the latest new and improved models in historic use? I hope you like flying a well used Bf109G or FW190.

How about living with the historic fuel and spare parts supply?

Once we leave history behind in ANY way, then the question of "game balance" is the most important issue.

Part of this is the FACT the the Allies held back on rushing new types to the front, as there was NO NEED to do so in real history.

Allowing the use of an aircraft that had less affect on the war than bad luck in the landing pattern did is BALANCED by allowing
the use of mass produced aircraft that had been held back for historic reasons.

It's a games theory thing. That's why the U.S. does not have the A-Bomb as a standard load-out. Same reason the B-29 is not a mid '44 standard bird in the game. Or the B-36
as a mid '45 pick.

I would like to see early war birds, but if the "what if" stuff is allowed, it should work for all sides.

Nath-BDP said:
> Guess what? Juzz doesn't pay for Aces High so hes going to think our
> selection criteria doesn't count.

?



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M.C.202
Dino in Reno

[SnakeEyes]

Jeeezus...

...if all of you would stop looking at this issue through the colored-sunglasses of our respective favorite WW2 air services, we'd all realize that making all of these inane stipulations is not a good thing.

Any aircraft that saw combat or was in production by war's end should be a reasonable target for modeling.  Regardless of whether it is German, Japanese, American, or British.  The moment you get into these assinine numbers and impact arguments, it merely becomes a fragfest between the Allies and Axis, and that simply isn't the way to decide which aircraft should be modeled.

PS - The P-51H flew operational combat sorties in the PTO before VJ Day.  However, it simply never encountered enemy aircraft... it's important to remember that the density of enemy activity was far less in the PTO than the ETO.

PPS - Shame on you Nath, this is exactly the kind of BS that has made the Warbirds community so divided between Axis and Allies... it would be better for AH if that crap didn't infect this environment too.

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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=

[Jekyll]

OK guys, here's the PERFECT idea to settle once and for all the aircraft flying in AH.

LW guys want the Do335, Ta152 C & H series?
Allies want the P51H, P47J, F2G and F8F?

OK, lets do this historically, just as they did in in WW2  

The Allied pilots get to fly ANYTHING which was in production by the end of WW2.

But only for 25 sorties, mind you.  Then they have to delete AH from their hard drives and wait for the Korean-era multiplayer sim to come out.  

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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
Aces High Training Corps

[HABICHT]

this discussions are all stupid since we have no SIM out this day, where 109 is so
good as it was.

for a REAL!! 109 FM i'll still have to wait
for oleg's IL2-sim. he posted several times,
that most "western" sims with 109 have f***
109FM inside.
sometimes i really hate the point, that only
US programmers (sorry guys) are developing
WW2 sims.

[SnakeEyes]

Physics must work differently over here.


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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=

[Daniko]

I second the bla bla bla bla bla bla bla


....

this is a game,  r u guys having fun?

[Daniko]

actually, i want to make it clear that i'm a  total LUFTWAFFE type, but i agree entirely with Snakeeys post that begins JEEzUS!! . . .

i think all these planes have a right to be modeled . . and this line between axix n allies is ridiculous .....

[maik]

Who said that is a WW2-Sim?  

Maik

[Scootter]

I guess we should recreat WWII with 100% realism ie Allied side won.  
We should limit ACM as LW pilots got younger and greener, limit fuel and parts as Allied bombing took its tool over Germany ect. And when we get (if) B-29 the A-bomb is part of load out??
I know the devel is in the details but come on guys!!  Its a Sim not a compleat recreation with toal accuricy

[Minotaur]

I am a little late for any sort of comment, but here goes anyway.

Nath, did you happen to notice that the list Pyro put up was for "Late War Variants"?  I am suspecting that he meant "variants" of planes that are "currently" in the plane set.

Get HTC to model an "Early War Variant" of your HE-16203 or the FW-190D50, then get them to model your dream "Late War Variant" as a perk.  

Be for warned, the cost might be high!  

Good Luck!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Hind tit suckin whiners. Begone with yah!"
Hangtime

[rfa]

As I said before, screw the dweeb rides.

Lets have some early-mid war stuff.