Question about a Horde

[E25280]

Last time there was a big discussion on the boards we got split arenas.

Which did nothing to stop the hordes, did it?

[1Boner]

Which did nothing to stop the hordes, did it?

Or any of the other "unhealthy" behavior.

I like it.

[Lusche]

Or any of the other "unhealthy" behavior.

Indeed. I gained another 20lbs weight since the arena split 

[E25280]

Indeed. I gained another 20lbs weight since the arena split 

<=== *points and laughs*   





*looks down at his own growing belly*


*quits laughing*



*Self explanitory*   

[Crash Orange]

And as I said, you start calling me names and drag the discussion into the mud I shovel it right back at you.

You've been rude and insulting since the first time I saw one of your posts (and I'm guessing before that as well). Calling people "lame" and saying they must have no skill since they don't play the way you'd prefer they play.

Loki, you've been flying what 6 months,

No. I've been flying HERE 6 months. I'm not 19 years old and this isn't the first online multiplayer WW2 flight sim game I've been in.

Explain to what is "good" about horde.

You don't read too well, do you? Or maybe you just don't bother to pay attention before spouting off again.

As I said just above: I never said hordes were good. I said your insults and claims about their effects were wrong.

For my own part, I tend to fly alone or with one other guy if I'm looking for a furball, I think fights of 3-5 fighters on 3-5 fighters are ideal, I *never* jump in as the 5th plane on one enemy or dive-bomb in Lancs, and I have more fun taking bases with 6 or 8 guys than 20 or 30. But I do like NOE 110 raids. If you don't, tough cookies.

[The Fugitive]

You've been rude and insulting since the first time I saw one of your posts (and I'm guessing before that as well). Calling people "lame" and saying they must have no skill since they don't play the way you'd prefer they play.

No. I've been flying HERE 6 months. I'm not 19 years old and this isn't the first online multiplayer WW2 flight sim game I've been in.

You don't read too well, do you? Or maybe you just don't bother to pay attention before spouting off again.

As I said just above: I never said hordes were good. I said your insults and claims about their effects were wrong.

For my own part, I tend to fly alone or with one other guy if I'm looking for a furball, I think fights of 3-5 fighters on 3-5 fighters are ideal, I *never* jump in as the 5th plane on one enemy or dive-bomb in Lancs, and I have more fun taking bases with 6 or 8 guys than 20 or 30. But I do like NOE 110 raids. If you don't, tough cookies.

I read very well, I'm thinking you and many others don't. In cases where I have called out lame game play people are assuming I'm talking about them. Again, I only call out those who try to call me out. Your posts almost always seem like your pissed off at me, and tend to come off sounding like your talking down your nose to me. Yes that will get my dander up and we can start calling each other names if you like.

I have a problem with lame game play, I could bring back my list, but why bother, you won't read it. If you play using those lame moves then I think your missing out on a whole lot of game. Those that hide in the horde are in most cases weak players. They have very little skill in fighting, dive bombing, level bombing, or in GV's. Just for giggles.... tho I've never posted the results because I prefer NOT to point fingers at people... I've checked the score 3 months back of those people that are in those posted pictures everyone posts about "hordes". For the most part, LESS THAN 10% can keep a positive k/d number. k/d is the easiest number to keep positive, and even an average player will maintain one WITHOUT even trying.

Unlike you, I've been here for years, and have seen all kinds of stuff come and go, players come and go, and game play come and go. I know it can be better, I've been there. It was easy to recognize the "newb" in the old days. Today, what most take as a newb is some one whos actually been hiding in a horde for over a year but still plays like a newb because they don't step outside the security blanket of the horde.

The reason I asked you to tell me what is good about the horde was because you seem to come down on me so hard about my opinion that I thought you find something good in them. You said my claim about their effects was wrong. Is that fact or opinion? I call BS. How would you know, you weren't here before the hordes. Unless you have info that HTC has had squirreled away all these years, you can't possibly know, the same goes for your opinion, you weren't here, but I was. Sure my memory may be failing, but I don't think so, so that leaves us with you just don't like me for some reason.

I don't see why people get pissed when I talk about this stuff. I'm voicing an opinion, I'm not FORCING anything on anybody. There are a number of people that I don't both reading their posts in some threads because they just piss me off with what they say, so I don't get involved. You don't like my opinion, fine, you don't have to read it. 

[bongaroo]

Now that's exactly what I'm talking about. You spout that kind of crap nonstop...blah blah blah

Pot, meet the kettle!

[thndregg]

It still comes across that some want to frolic in a utopian Aces High Country Club full of paying players who either are experten cartoon pilots or are aspiring to be. Snobs. Some are deemed inferior if you do not absolutely share in this purist way of thinking. Some assume subscribers just have all the time in the world to devote to "getting better". Not me. Just in it for friends and fun when I have time (which means you only have to gripe about my Jug missions once a week I think you'll live). All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.

[Saurdaukar]

It still comes across that some want to frolic in a utopian Aces High Country Club full of paying players who either are experten cartoon pilots or are aspiring to be. Snobs. Some are deemed inferior if you do not absolutely share in this purist way of thinking. Some assume subscribers just have all the time in the world to devote to "getting better". Not me. Just in it for friends and fun when I have time (which means you only have to gripe about my Jug missions once a week I think you'll live). All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.

Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.

Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"

This has always puzzled me.  Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.

[shreck]

All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.

Now that is pretty damn funny! 

( I feel the tension building already )-------> life  is good

[1Boner]

Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.

Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"

This has always puzzled me.  Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.

It might be the fact that statements like "lack of skill , skilless dweebs, no skill so hide in a horde" etc. are thrown around like confetti.

You know that you won't find a "quality player" in a horde, why bother flying anywhere near it?

While some people may strive for the "skills", others are just fine wallowing in their own mediocrity.

There are quite a few "skilled" players in this game who should spend as much time working on their social skills as they did on aquiring
 their silly game skills. THAT would be an improvement I would love to see in this game.

And while alot of us "skilless" players appreciate your gargantuan efforts to make us into better players, I think we're just fine and having fun without your help. But Thanks for your concern.

For those who want to improve their skills, there are the Trainers and I think they know how to find them.

[waystin2]

There are quite a few "skilled" players in this game who should spend as much time working on their social skills as they did on aquiring
 their silly game skills. THAT would be an improvement I would love to see in this game.

And while alot of us "skilless" players appreciate your gargantuan efforts to make us into better players, I think we're just fine and having fun without your help. But Thanks for your concern.

Well said boner.
 

[Steve]

It might be the fact that statements like "lack of skill , skilless dweebs, no skill so hide in a horde" etc. are thrown around like confetti.

It must be happening a lot then.

You know that you won't find a "quality player" in a horde, why bother flying anywhere near it?

Because often this is the only place where you can find targets.

others are just fine wallowing in their own mediocrity. "skilless" players we're just fine and having fun without your help.

It's a foreign concept for me that one would settle for mediocrity. At least as long as one has the potential to improve.  I'm not anti horde, my stance on this is well documented, but people flying around in large flocks are missing out on some of the best fun of the game. If the hordelings are indeed having fun, bully for them, but it's a lot of fun to push one's own evelope and see the improvement as a result. 

[1Boner]

It's a foreign concept for me that one would settle for mediocrity. At least as long as one has the potential to improve.

Some people don't "settle" for mediocrity, they strive for it because its the best they can do.

So lets call them names, that will make US feel superior.

Not everyone can aquire the "skills", no matter how hard they try.

[Crash Orange]

I read very well, I'm thinking you and many others don't.

You missed a whole section of my post.

I've checked the score 3 months back of those people that are in those posted pictures everyone posts about "hordes". For the most part, LESS THAN 10% can keep a positive k/d number. k/d is the easiest number to keep positive, and even an average player will maintain one WITHOUT even trying.

By "positive" do you mean a k/d ratio above 1? Bull. Well less than 1/4 of the people playing the game have that, and half the ones who do are vulching, picking, and milking it for all they're worth. And if you ever try to defend bases while heavily outnumbered you'll blow that ratio for your whole tour to hell in one night. I've lost 12 or 15 planes in one fight that way sometimes, because like everyone says, hey, they're just pixels, right?

This is the sort of BS logic you and some of the other panties-in-a-bunch crowd are always tossing off here. You say all the newer players suck and everyone who doesn't fly the way you like sucks, and define "suck" as not being in the top 5%. You're a fool. There are 2,000 people playing in LW this week who have the capability to get some kills and even some kills outside of a horde but get killed more often than they kill. And THOSE are the people who keep this business going. And even the guys who have a ratio of 0.2, you don't know if that's because they suck but can get a few by taking no risks, or if they're seeking out better foes. You can't see that from scroes.

The reason I asked you to tell me what is good about the horde was because you seem to come down on me so hard about my opinion that I thought you find something good in them.

In other words, you talked out your a**. Saying you're wrong doesn't mean everything you are against is right. It just means you're acting like a jerk and exaggerating everything you complain about. Hordes don't do the things you complain about because it's physically impossible, now, 5 years ago, or 10 years from now. They cannot force you to face 4-1 odds like you claim because they can only cover 1 or 2 sectors at a time on a map that has hundreds of sectors. They can still be lame and yet not like what you describe.