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Offline Larry

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2009, 03:57:12 PM »
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2009, 09:45:25 PM »
i know what im talking about you twittleing retards. im tired of this bullnoodles, you are twittleing wrong the F-86 comes from a redesigned P-51.

Yeah your absolutely right, F-86 did come from P-51, it came a long way from p-51.


Also did you know that F-22 came from the wright flyer, they look so much alike  :O, they both have wings!!!
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Offline Fianna

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2009, 11:04:29 PM »
Yeah your absolutely right, F-86 did come from P-51, it came a long way from p-51.


Also did you know that F-22 came from the wright flyer, they look so much alike  :O, they both have wings!!!


Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2009, 01:10:30 AM »
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2009, 03:12:37 AM »

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?


To say it was an evolution of the P-51 is still incorrect.  The F-86 owes just as much to the ME 262 as it does to the P-51.  If it wasn't for the ME 262, the Sabre would never have been the plane that it was. 


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Re: F86!!
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2009, 03:24:46 AM »
What I really want to know is what 'bad word' does "handsomehunk" cover up, or does he really think AKAK is a handsome hunk?



Oh I found it.  :D
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2009, 11:07:54 AM »

To say it was an evolution of the P-51 is still incorrect.  The F-86 owes just as much to the ME 262 as it does to the P-51.  If it wasn't for the ME 262, the Sabre would never have been the plane that it was. 


Evidence has been posted supporting the idea that the F86 was influenced in its design by the P51. If it wasn't for the P51, the Sabre would never have been the plane that it was.

The Mustang is a great high-speed aircraft, the Me262 isn't. It's silly to think that North American wouldn't apply any lessons they learned with the P51 to their development of the Sabre.



With that being said, I could be completely wrong. Unless someone can prove it, though...

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2009, 11:49:25 AM »
i see fishing season has started and its bringing in record numbers. you dudes are nuts  :rofl

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2009, 11:56:56 AM »
i see fishing season has started and its bringing in record numbers. you dudes are nuts  :rofl

No one's being trolled, at least not anymore. This has turned from a thread about adding the F86 to AH (which was a troll), into a discussion about how much the F86 was influenced by the P51.

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2009, 12:16:15 PM »
No one's being trolled, at least not anymore. This has turned from a thread about adding the F86 to AH (which was a troll), into a discussion about how much the F86 was influenced by the P51.

no it hasnt.... some people just havent gotten that message to there noggen yet  :uhoh

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Re: F86!!
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2009, 12:25:00 PM »
no it hasnt.... some people just havent gotten that message to there noggen yet  :uhoh

60% (this is a conservative estimate) of the posts in this thread are about whether or not the Sabre was descended from the P51.
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Re: F86!!
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2009, 12:27:16 PM »
yes but IMO only one guy in that argument really thinks the others are serious.

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« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2009, 12:31:16 PM »
Evidence has been posted supporting the idea that the F86 was influenced in its design by the P51. If it wasn't for the P51, the Sabre would never have been the plane that it was.

The Mustang is a great high-speed aircraft, the Me262 isn't. It's silly to think that North American wouldn't apply any lessons they learned with the P51 to their development of the Sabre.



With that being said, I could be completely wrong. Unless someone can prove it, though...

The Me 262 wasn't a great high speed aircraft?  It was revolutionary, its wing design is basically what allowed jets to travel at high speeds and eventually break the sound barrier.  The Fury showed that laminar wings for jets was inefficient so North American used captured German technology on swept wings.  IIRC, the only thing that the F-86 incorporated in its design that was from the Mustang were the speed breaks on the wings which was the same system used on the A-36 Apache/Invader.

The tail system on the F-86 was, if IIRC, was the same or influenced by the one used on the Fury (which design was influenced on the Mustang) but that was also inefficient and was replaced by "all flying-tail" on the E model which was far more efficient than the original tail designed for the Sabre.  

Saying that the Sabre was an evolution of the Mustang would be like saying that the F-14 Tomcat was an evolution of the F-111 because it used an improved swing wing system based on the one used by the Aardvark.

The fact is that the early jets made after WW2 owed their design more to captured German designs and technology than any other factor.


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Re: F86!!
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2009, 12:35:12 PM »
yes but IMO only one guy in that argument really thinks the others are serious.


That doesn't make sense. It's not possible. There are multiple people on both sides of the debate. 3 or 4 seem to think that there is some evidence that the Sabre was influenced by the Mustang.

3 or 4 other people seem to think we're crazy.

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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2009, 01:31:35 PM »
The Me 262 wasn't a great high speed aircraft?  It was revolutionary, its wing design is basically what allowed jets to travel at high speeds and eventually break the sound barrier.  The Fury showed that laminar wings for jets was inefficient so North American used captured German technology on swept wings.  IIRC, the only thing that the F-86 incorporated in its design that was from the Mustang were the speed breaks on the wings which was the same system used on the A-36 Apache/Invader.

The tail system on the F-86 was, if IIRC, was the same or influenced by the one used on the Fury (which design was influenced on the Mustang) but that was also inefficient and was replaced by "all flying-tail" on the E model which was far more efficient than the original tail designed for the Sabre.  

Saying that the Sabre was an evolution of the Mustang would be like saying that the F-14 Tomcat was an evolution of the F-111 because it used an improved swing wing system based on the one used by the Aardvark.

The fact is that the early jets made after WW2 owed their design more to captured German designs and technology than any other factor.


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I should've been more clear. The P51 handles great at high speed. The 262 doesn't (at least not as well as the Mustang).

Basically, and correct me if I'm wrong, North American began development of the Sabre by incorporating design features of the Mustang into the Fury (like the laminar flow wing, tail system, etc.). Then, they improved upon that design and added ideas taken from the Germans, which gets us the Sabre.