AH Spit IX is too slow!

[Glasses]

SCHEISSEFEUER!!!!!!!

[Serapis]

How about making the current Spit an early 61 engined F with the B armament package (good for scenarios) but bring in a bubble-top XVI with the packard merlin, LF wing and E-armament package? I'm all for that   Lets get it right and get a reasonable (non XIV) late war Spit in the MA. It's only fair after all  

Charon

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]

[Urchin]

Actually, that sounds real good.  I really think we should introduce whatever the fastest spit was, it will make the dweebs life SO much easier.  No longer will they have to choose between the fastest plane OR the best turner, instead they can get it all with just one plane!  We can also just remove 95% of the planes we have in the game to have different skins for the 1 plane that will see 95% of all the usage in the game(you know, so all the dweebs don't look alike- that is the only way to introduce a little variety, especially since everyone would be flying the same plane).

[Karnak]

Urchin,

What are you whining about now?

He said a MkXVI, not a MkXIV.

You freaking Luftwhiners are really getting old.

Your hyperbole in particular is really annoying.  If you feel so victimized and descriminated against, go elsewhere.

[Urchin]

Hey Karnak, how did you do in Intro to Pysch?  You must have done really good, you know how to sling around some big words.  I got some nice short words for you.

Shut The diddly Up.  I'm tired of your psycho-babble toejam.

[Karnak]

Urchin,

What is your problem with RAF aircraft?

Every single thread that involves them sees you posting some idiotic, whinning drivel about how unfair it is. Why?

You don't see RAF fans dumping garbage in the "Fw190A-5 is too slow" thread, do you?

Yet you come into this thread and make a sarcastic whine that somebody is asking for the fastest Spitfire, which is utter BS.  He asked for the MkXVI, which was powered by a Packard Merlin 266, the American version of the Merlin 66 that the Spitfire LF.IX used.

If he were asking for the fastest Spit he would have been asking for a MkXIV, or even an F.21, but he specifically said not the XIV.

Was that good enough for the "defender of the Luftwaffe's honor"? No, of course not.

You'd be tickled pink if we were using Spit Is against free Ta152s I'll bet.

EDIT:

Read your post that I attacked you for.  Can you see why that might get somebody pissed?  Can you see any slight inaccuracies in it?

Fastest plane my ass.  Even the horrible, dreadful MkXIV wouldn't be the fastest plane.

I know you like Luftwaffe planes and no others, but please, go away when you see a thread about US, Russian, Japanese, British or Italian aircraft.  We don't want to see your gross exagerations and staggeringly biased posts.

The funny thing is, if you'd posted a polite rejection with a non-biased attitude, I'd have agreed with you.

I don't think we need a faster, non-perk Spitfire.

Its your attitude that gets me.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[Soviet]

I personally think that any faster spit needs to be perked no matter what.  I mean the spit already can catch even fast planes due to it's outstanding acceleration.  The Spit IX already get's way too much use i'd like to see some variety.  You want a faster spit? great, just perk the thing all i need now is a SPIT that can both out-turn AND outrun me.

And no i'm not a luftwaffe fan although i do fly 190s from time to time.  I'm a VVS flyer...

[Karnak]

Soviet,

I agree.

I would like to see the LF options removed from the Spitfire MkIX in AH.

I don't want a faster, free Spitfire added either.

[Urchin]

I don't have a problem with RAF aircraft.  What I DO have a problem with is whiney little squeakes like you that insist that, despite the fact that the SpitIX is the MOST used plane in the arena, it isn't good enough.  News flash, Dr. Ruth, I DO have an agenda.  MY agenda is ensuring that people who like to fly LUFTWAFFE aircraft at least have a fighting chance for survival.  As it stands now, your "1942" spitfire is superior to every German plane in the game, with the possible exception of the 109G10 and the 190D9 (in those two cases the fight would be a draw).  Your "slow, poor old inferior SpitIX" is faster than every German plane except the Ta-152, the 109G10, and the 190d9 at 15,000 feet.  Your "inferior" SpitIX outclimbs every German fighter but the 109G10.  Guess what?  I don't give a toejam that your favorite plane can't catch an La-7.  Mine can't either.  Get over it.  The Spitfire we HAVE in the game OBVIOUSLY does the job just fine.  We already have at least 2 planes that totally outclass every German fighter in the game, I don't wish to see another.  I'm so sorry that you are so stupid and/or narrowminded to see my point of view as being one of a "victim", because it isn't.  Just as your "agenda" is to bring a plane into the game that 95% of the people in the MA will fly exclusively (just because it is the 'best' plane in the arena), mine is to at least TRY to maintain some sort of a balance between MY favorite planes and everyone else favorite planes.  Again, I'm really sorry that you don't seem to understand that (maybe you should take a few more psychology classes, try to take one that will help you see other people's points of view, you need it), but just because YOU don't like what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm going to stop saying it.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Urchin ]

[Karnak]

Urchin,

Let me try again:

I don't want a faster Spitfire.

I don't want anything of the sort. How many times do I have to tell you that?  As I said, I would have agreed with you if you had posted in a rational fashion.

I even want the Spit IX in AH to have the armament options it shouldn't have, removed, making it weaker.  I want the thing to be less powerful than it is now, and I don't want a faster one added to make up for that.

Read through my posts in this thread, not one requests a faster Spit.  I would really like to know where you got the idea that I want a faster Spitfire?

It would hurt the MA, badly.

As to me not liking what you are saying, that isn't it at all.  I don't like the bald faced lies that you keep posting in pursuit of your agenda.  That is why I post against you.  Your first post in this thread was a pack of lies and distortions.  The fact that it was in support of a position that I agree with is irrelevant to me.  I think that it is an argument that not only can be won without using that kind of tactic, but that has already been won.

The post above this one is also a pack of lies and distortions, and some truth.

When you post hyperbole like this nobody will take you seriously.  All that we can see is an agenda to have only German aircraft be competitive.  You are attacking way to strongly.

[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[-ammo-]

I would like to see a faster spit, I like the spit, it was an amazing design..considering this airframe was a mid 30's design.. The 109 is the only other AC that can cllaim the same distinction. As the AC evolved it's frame stayed basically the same.

The idea that the spit9 we have is on the same level with the planeset here is absurd. If you are an idiot and try to turn with it..then doh.  A g10? run circles around it, LA5 will too..yes a LA5, not even considering a LA7.

[sling322]

So, why dont we just bring in the Spit XIV and unperk the C-hog....that should solve all of Urchin's problems.  

[Toad]

No, no, no, no, no Sling!

The problem is that the LW doesn't have the superior planes. Don't you see that? If they had a plane that was markedly better than the Spit XIV, then the XIV would be allowed. Sadly, this is not the case.

So, just don't model any planes that are superior to LW rides and things will work out eventually.

 

[Soviet]

Hell i'm all in favor of a faster spit.  say Spit XIV, but perk it.  I'm not talking 60 perks i'm talking a small 8-20 perk you can all afford that right?

In fact this is actually giving credit to the Spit, the fact that a Spit IX can perform so incredibly considering it came out '42.  The fact that there are worries of a faster one is actualy a compliment to the Spit it really is one hell of a design.

But the fact that the spit9 is here with the rest of the planeset ISN'T obsurd.  Why else is it the most used plane in the arena??

In the end i have confidence that the HiTech team will make the right decisions on game balance.

[Buzzbait]

S!

Sorry Urchin and other similar thinking Luftwobbles, I find this funny...

I have pushed for all kinds of additions to the Luftwaffe stable, but when some members of that group turn around and start insisting that a historical plane can't be represented in AH, I start to wonder.

You guys have the Me262, Fw190D9, TA-152H, 109G10, Arado, and you can't stand the thought of there being a Spitfire which actually performs as it should?

Ridiculous.

The current Spitfire is easily beaten by a good pilot in any of those aircraft, (exception Arado, and I guess it wins by just not getting caught) and that's 1 on 1.  If you're flying in teams, a pair of those is hugely superior to a pair of the current Spit IX's.

Yeah a Spit IX LF or Spit XVI probably will end up being perked, (British planes can't be the best!) but the Anglophiles deserve to have the historical planes represented, even if they can't fly them in the MA.

The way things are going of course, every post '43 British Fighter will have to be perked to keep the Aryan hordes from having apoplexy on the spot.

As it stands at present, every Spitfire, or Spitfire based plane represented, has been significantly porked, by having the worst possible model selected.

(Spit V, Spit IX, Seafire IIC)

Do the research, and you'll see they are the lame duck versions, and not the most produced.