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Offline R4M

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AH Spit IX is too slow!
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2001, 01:53:00 AM »
a LF.IX spit would be fine with me. Only if you substract 15mph to its deck speed on the grounds that the speed listed for the plane on the data sources for it, was for another"temperature" than the one present in AH  :D

that means a 325mph-fast spit LF.IX on the deck  :D

spit XIV perked, spit XVI unperked and ENY of 5, would be fine with me. If its use goes over the top, you can always perk it later  :D

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2001, 03:26:00 AM »
Hello friends:
 As you know, not ingles, I use translator altavista ,  that is possible that it does not understand well what post says in his, sorry if in something I am mistaken.

 Spit IX of AH seems to me entenderque this undermodelled in its benefits, and could be, but I insist on who this overmodelled, not in speed or climb rate (shortly testeare) but in its great retention E and in any type of turn, its great acceleration in any circumstance, and the great tolerance to G's in his flight, for my, this is sufficient to say that the FM of Spitfire IX this badly, already I said in its day that the 3 variants of Spitfire IX deberian correctly to be modeled and to give the opportunity of selection of each variant from the hangar.
(el traductor no sabe poner "su lloron de la LW preferido"  :D)

Saludos

Supongo

P.D: that the LW does not have airplane equal or superior to Spitfire XIV? Quizas a well modeled 109K4 can be sufficient


Hola amigos:

Como ustedes saben, no se ingles, uso altavista translator, asi que es posible que no comprenda bien lo que dicen en sus post, perdonen si en algo me equivoco.
Me parece entenderque el Spit IX de AH esta undermodelled en sus prestaciones, y pudiera ser, pero yo insisto en que esta overmodelled, no en velocidad o climb rate (en breve testeare) sino en su gran retencion de E en cualquier tipo de viraje, su gran aceleracion en cualquier circunstancia, y la gran tolerancia a G's en su vuelo, para mi, esto es suficiente para decir que el FM del Spitfire IX esta mal, ya dije en su dia que las 3 variantes del Spitfire IX deberian ser modeladas correctamente y dar la oportunidad de eleccion de cada variante desde el hangar.
Su lloron de la LW preferido

P.D: que la LW no tiene avion igual o superior al Spitfire XIV? Quizas un 109K4 bien modelado pueda ser suficiente.
R.P.D.: para mi que el altavista translator a traducido lo que le ha dado la gana, asi que, si hay algun alma caritativa que lo haga mejor, pues ya sabe...... Graciaaaaaaaasssss.
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2001, 04:33:00 AM »
Well, I usually fly axis ... however, I have not read one valid reason to perk a LFIX or XIV. Because the actual FIX has wrong drop tank or armament options? Becouse the LFIX or XIV could be too good? C'mon. I cant believe it ... with all those free N1K2, La7, P51D (just to name some outstanding fighters) ... around in the Main.

I cannot even understand why we have not a "late" war Spitfire yet. Should a Ki-67 enter the arena before a MkXIV? I dont think so. But its just MHO. Could be interesting to hear something from HTC about it.

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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2001, 04:47:00 AM »
I agree with you Gatt ,I can't understand Supongo ...

Perhaps it's just a joke ?
I think so as he is asking for a K4 stating that the spit is good as she is.

ps : if it's not a joke we have now the proof that flying LW Iron is really bad for your mental health ...

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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2001, 05:12:00 AM »
Hello friends:

Damn translator online.
 I do not say that Spitfire IX must be perked, NO, I badly say that this modeled in his FM (retention of E, turns without lost of speed, impressive acceleration).
 If the horizontal speed or the Climb Rate of the SPitfire IX is not the correct one (undermodelled) that makes it correct.

This good explained now?
 understand you to me?

Greetings

Supongo


Hola amigos:

Maldito traductor on-line.
Yo no digo que el Spitfire IX deba ser perked, no, digo que esta mal modelado en su FM (retencion de E, virajes sin perdida de velocidad, impresionante aceleracion). Si la velocidad horizontal o el Climb Rate del SPitfire IX no es el correcto (undermodelled) que lo hagan correcto.
Esta bien explicado ahora? me entienden ustedes?

Saludos

Supongo

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2001, 07:30:00 AM »
Garrido says Luftwaffe actually had better fighters than Spit XIV, a well modelled 109K-4 would be superior (he says)

He is not kidding. I suppouse he is talking for 1vs1 at least.

Greetings

Garrido dice que la luft realmente tenía mejores cazas que el spitXIV, un 109K-4 sería superior (él dice)

No está bromeando. Supongo que habla respecto a un 1vs1 por lo menos.

Saludos  ;)

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2001, 07:36:00 AM »
"Garrido says Luftwaffe actually had better fighters than Spit XIV, a well modelled 109K-4 would be superior (he says)"

My God, now they're whining in the future perfect tense!

"Well modeled"! the obvious inference is that when the Spit hands him his arse he'll blame it on the faulty model.

Keep it up, boys, Goebels would be so proud of your logic and reasoning.

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2001, 07:44:00 AM »
How would the performance of K-4 differ from G-10?


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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2001, 08:07:00 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2001, 08:10:00 AM »
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Originally posted by fats:
How would the performance of K-4 differ from G-10?


// fats

Paint job perhaps ?

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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad:

BEARCAT TO ACES HIGH!!!

// LW mode ON
PERK IT !!!
// LW mode OFF

What about a true BeerCat (french speeling at work  ;) )?

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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2001, 08:15:00 AM »
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How would the performance of K-4 differ from G-10?
// fats

Hmm, the K-4 was better aerodinamically than G-10 (main wheel doors and retractable tail wheel), also had Flettner-type tabs in ailerons which should improve efficiency at high IAS.

But I doubt this would make the K-4 better than Mk XIV.

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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2001, 09:10:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Urchin:
Your "slow, poor old inferior SpitIX" is faster than every German plane except the Ta-152, the 109G10, and the 190d9 at 15,000 feet.  Your "inferior" SpitIX outclimbs every German fighter but the 109G10.

100% fuel, fuelburnratemult=0.00, after 15kft level wait 2min-> record speed, hit wep wait 1.5 min -> record speed. Here are the results:

   
   
   
   

What comes to climbing, I made some tests earlier, however they aren't very accurate as at that point I didn't know that there is this "fuelburnratemult". I took 25% fuel and here are times to 20kft:

109F-4: 5'53, WEP: 5'05
109G-2: 5'41, WEP: 5'01
109G-6: 5'53, WEP: 5,11
109G-10: 5'36, WEP: 4'27
Spit V: 6'13, WEP: 5'42 (wep runs out after 5 min)
Spit IX: 5'53, WEP: 5'18 (wep runs out after 5 min)


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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2001, 09:48:00 AM »
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Originally posted by fats:
How would the performance of K-4 differ from G-10?


// fats

<swallows the hook>

Dunno if there actually was any major difference of the G-10. Here's what "BF109F-K " -book says:

K-series was result of major rationalization of G-series(16 variants, 82 different models)
It was made to "..equal or surpass the performance of Allied aircraft, such as Spitfire XIV and P-51D..".
- improved aerodynamics (broadened engine cowling by about 70mm in the area of the belt feeds for the MG131's, retactable tail wheel and wheel well doors)
- New DB605D with larger supercharger of the DB603.
- thin steel sheet from aluminium for the leading edge slats.
- tail section was made of the wood -> better aerodynamics, 2-10kg heavier.

"The Bf109K was undoubtedly the most capable version of the 109 and the most demanding to fly"

Performance figures for Bf 109 K-4/R2 reconnaissance aircraft were as follows:
- Rate of climb at ground level: 13.5m/sec
- Economical cruising speed was 645kph at 8.4km
- Time to climb to 6000 meters was 8 minutes
- Maximum speed at emergency power was 580kph (~362mph) at ground level and 710kph(~443mph) at maximum boost at 7500 meters.

Hmm, I'm not quite sure about those converts, shoud 1 mph equals to 1.6 kph?


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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2001, 09:56:00 AM »
Any well flown energy plane including the D9 and G10 can hand the spit its bellybutton or disengage with ease. A poorly flown energy plane trying to furball, or using unimaginative tactics will either be easily killed or avoided (dancing out of the way of the 1v1 long, drawn out single pass, no angles sky jousts). And as for the Spit's great acceleration, that only comes into play if the energy fighter managed to get slow. You can't accelerate fast enought to get a kill on an evading energy fighter that is still going fast.

That's why I've been moving away from the spit into the P-51, Yak (can't hit crap with those short clipped guns) or perhaps the F4U since I actually like to land kills instead of just getting a few in a furball and dying from some Zero/P-51 combo. As for the Spit XVI (16), I would accept a light 5 point perk with no problem.

Charon

PS: As Toad said, BEARCAT to ACES HIGH!!!   :)

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