What's So Special About The Bearcat?

[Toad]

There's nothing special about the Bearcat.

It should be modeled in AH at some later date just as an extra Allied ride.

No need to perk it...it's no threat to anything except a gooney anyway.

 

BTW, you luftloonies will argue anything won't you? How long till you claim the Nazi's invented the internet?

 

[Jigster]

It is utterly stupid to use one statement to prove one plane is based on another.

Maybe if the Grumman team had brought a Fw back, took it apart piece by piece (which some companies did after Wright Field allowed it) then, perhaps that one statement might be appropriate.

It's like saying the F6F is based on the P-47. Same dimensions, same weight class, same power plant. P-47 prototype flew first. But oh wait, thats right, they were being designed at the same time, under seperate contracts with the Navy and Airforce.

- Jig

[lazs]

Verm... No, I do not think that pre production planes lived up their production counterparts in every case but..... The Soviet planes were the furthest off of any I have seen.   Perhaps it was the political climate or the fact that production methods were crude or that materials were short and untested (plywwod etc.) or that much of the labor was unskilled and the engines were so unrefined or, maybe a bit of all those things.   In any case... every Soviet production fighter was a huge disapointment with nary a one comming close to it's pre production or design hopes.   Other nations had simular disapointments but not nearly so blatant.

F2G Vs Bearcat?   Apples and oranges.   F2G would outclimb anything in the game but not be exceptionally fast nor manueveable.   Bearcat and -4 Corsair is more interesting.... -4 should climb 4,000 fpm or so... Turn with a Hellcat and Spit 9 with a notch of flaps.. Accelerate with the best of em and be a tank.   The -4 had a top speed of between 450-460 depending on who you read and should be able to disengage from the Bearcat in a dive and then from the level.   Both planes would be very useful in AH.

Oh... Germany didn't even have a radial AC engine till they copie... er, "were influenced by" the Pratt.   Planes like the Curtis Hawk and P36 pre-dated the 190.
lazs

[minus]

Toad u sux   the stile propaganda and Argumetns  remind me some 1  from history


why HTC not made a 1 areno only for US planes so they can Narcism each other

 and anyway made in USA is not at all ,,is the best ,,   so go a way and dont call any LW fan Nazi even with smile !
 in EU u cant call some 1 nazi !~

[Lephturn]

minus, I think I speak for all the english speaking folk on this board when I say...

WHAT?

I think you need to take an english course.  I can never tell what the heck you are saying.  You'd be better off to post in your native language and include a link to one of the translation engines I think.

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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[LJK Raubvogel]

Well, thats a bit harsh Lepturn. If you spend a few minutes, you can get the general idea, although I think he misunderstood the post he replied to. He's saying that Toad's post sounded like propaganda, and that not all good planes are US. Then he says that maybe HTC should have an arena with only US planes so they can admire each other. Lastly he says that Toad shouldn't use the word Nazis....here i think he misinterpreted Toad's use of the word.

Anyways.....thats the general idea.

*these ideas do not necessarily represent the views of LJK Raubvogel*  

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LuftJägerKorps

[lazs]

geeze... if ya understand the guy it's even worse.   I say let him continue to post in babbel.   What happens in "eur" if you call sum 1 a nazi anyhow?  Do they hang you or something?   Guess it's an even bigger crime than posting aircraft data that isn't in "secret weapons of the LW".
lazs

[minus]

well why not Nazi i Dont like if some say i have soemthing to due with nazism becose i am a Lw plane fan

[Hamish]

WReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeNCH!

Back to the topic of this thread, and away from personal attacks back and forth, what is so special about the bearcat are these minor things:

She's BLUE!!!!!!
She's NAVY!!!!!!

Need there be anything else?  

Hamish!

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Jigster are you really unable to overcome your prejudices to such an extent? The guy was impressed with the 190, said he love to see this plane with an R2800 and thinks it would be the best fighter, then right after his return to US Grumman begins work on an entirely new design which just happends to match the 190 almost exactly for length, wingspan, and weight and is powered by R2800. It is by no means a copy of the 190, but is it really so difficult to see the connection and overall simmilarty in the concept of the planes. The intent was not to copy the 190 bolt for bolt but Grumman was definatly influenced by 190s overall design ethic. And I still dont undestand why some of you take all this as some personal insult to yourselves, the US or the Bearcat.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[M.C.202]

GRUNHERZ said:
> Wasnt the GeeBee but it was a prewar US racer.

    Umm, Hughes Racer? Nice looking bird.

But I think that you are reading too much ino a "flip" statement by that Pilot/desginer.

> Minus
> Dont Forget the Bearcat was inspired from the late FW 190 !!!!!!!!

> minus
 sory man but is it 100% sure bearcat was created after the 190 capture studies yes
> is it a evolution but the inspiration come from 190
(not GRUNHERZ's quotes)

There is a big jump from influenced to inspired. All fighters are influenced by other aircraft, but few inspire others.

                                                                                                                                           


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M.C.202
Dino in Reno

[Toad]

The reference to "Nazi" in that sentence is a historical reference to the Party ruling Germany at the time of the development of these aircraft. It is a play (joke) on the "Al Gore invented the internet" joke that is going around. Substitute "Nazi" for "Gore".

It is inconceiveable to me that someone could confuse that statement so badly that they would think I am calling any one here on this board a "Nazi". It's not my style and most know that.

However, I also understand that English is not the primary language of many of the posters (whose English is better than my poor attempts at their language). So, perhaps it is possible for a misunderstanding. Jokes usually don't translate that well anyway.

The point was "what will the Luftwhiners claim next?" since the uproar never stops.

It was intended as humor.

If you didn't take it that way, you misread it.

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Toad

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

-William Pitt

[Westy]

Though I could refrain. TOO __ DAMN __ HARD  

" And I still dont undestand why some of you take all this as some personal insult to yourselves, the US or the Bearcat."

 With that your dead wrong, at least with me. and judging from what many others have sadi I believe you have it wrong with them too.  I have a problem with people who make gross exagerations such as the F8F design being heavily influenced, copied or even designed due to the FW-190. If you said the KI-61 was a rip off of the 109. I'd disagree, cause it wasn't. Same with Macchi 205. I'd would strongly and vocally disagree.

  -Westy

[Pongo]

Man no one has even mentioned that that small airframe can take 4 hispanos....
OUCH.
How many rounds per gun...anyone know?

[GRUNHERZ]

Yep MC202 Hughes H1