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Offline Hamish

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« on: October 29, 2000, 06:15:00 PM »
With the threads lately about the F8F, Why shouldn't it be entered as a "Perk" plane. My personal choice would be the F8F-1, being as it was the only one i can find reference to being actually delivered before the war ended, 2 squadrons were enroute onboard U.S.S. Langly.

For those to cry against it a noteable item would be that cannon-dweebs would not fly this aircraft, as it is armed with "only" 4x.50 cal's. IMHO only Navy fans would truly enjoy this plane, what do you think?


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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2000, 01:02:00 AM »
Don't forget the F7F-3 Tigercat too.

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2000, 06:44:00 AM »
F2G Super Corsair

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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2000, 07:00:00 AM »
I read your choice in the other thread verm, thpppt!      

Corsairs are beautiful and all, and i've loved them since i was a kid watching "blacksheep squadron" but, since i read about the bearcat, i've grown very fond of it, and would Love to see it modeled somewhere sometime  

Juzz, as far as the tigercat goes, was it ever delivered before the end of the war? That's kind of my "limit" on whether or not a plane should be allowed to be modeled. If it wasn't delivered before the "end" of WW2, then i don't see how it can be considered a WW2 plane :P

P.S. do you have any good references i can look at? I saw a pic of it once a long time ago, but ain't seen any good data on it.


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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2000, 09:52:00 AM »
This is a WWII era game not just a WWII game. Did all fighting stop just because Japan surrendered dont think so there was still alot of mopping up going on. some troops didnt stop fighting untill the emeperor himself ordered them to surrender. If it was built during this time line lets have, let the other sims do the been there done that thing.

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2000, 08:49:00 PM »
7 comes before 8  

IOW; yes, the Tigercat was delivered to USMC units before the Bearcat got to the USN.

Hamish; use yahoo.com and search for "F7F" - it should turn up several pages, among them is an official Navy Historical site which has a .pdf file with performance data for the F7F-3 with several different loadouts.  

Tigercat would be a supreme JABO plane. 4000lb bombload, 4x20mm, 4x.50in, 8x5" HVAR rockets...

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2000, 09:59:00 PM »
Thx Juzz, and Droooooooooool!  


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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2000, 03:08:00 AM »
Brewster Buffalo.


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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2000, 03:12:00 AM »
Btw; the F7F was an obvious rip-off of the Fw 187, and likewise the P-38 came directly from the Fw 189.  

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2000, 08:11:00 AM »
 I thought all twin engined fighters were direct copies of the ME-110.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2000, 09:44:00 AM »
Yes! the piper senaca that i've been flying was a direct copy of the me-110!  

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2000, 09:57:00 AM »
Verm:

I'll bet you dollars to dimes that all other things being equal, the F8F would smoke the F2G under 20K.

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2000, 11:41:00 AM »
I would have to look Snakeyes, but I don't think so, at least as pure fighters.

If I get some time later, I will look into it further but from memory... and this site, which you probably have.

Best Navy Tech Data that I have seen. http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/fighter.htm

The Tigercat and the F2G both have comparable low level climb rates.

The F2G is much faster at sea level, high 390's (399?) compared to 359 of the Tigercat. And both aircraft have Vmax of around 425 (423/21,900 for Tigercat) around 20,000ft.

{Edit: I just checked some numbers 430mph/16,000 ft & 400mph at SL}

Acceleration is probably on the F2G side with 3,500hp at a weight of around 12,000lbs (estimate based on memory) gives it a powerloading of between 3.5lbs/hp - 4.0lbs/hp (for weights higher than 12,000), while the Tigercat has 4760hp at 21476lbs, for a powerloading of 5.8lbs/hp.

Plus the F2G should handle much better than the Tigercat, considering the classical handling of the Corsair airframe, and the higher wing loading (worse turn) 47.2lbs/sqft and two engines off the centerline of the aircraft (poorer roll rate) of the Tigercat.

Firepower, of course would go to the Tigercat, and overall ground attack capability is slightly on the Tigercats side (over standard Corsair, not sure what F2G external stores were like), but both are admireable.

Just a quick and dirty analysis, that would need to be checked (especially the F2G stuff, all from memory), but I think its close.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »
Wrong Cat... I'm talkin' Bearkitty (F8F).

Go to page 8 of the referenced URL (see November 20th) and I think you'll understand what I mean.      The F2G is a great a/c, and might even be a bit faster on the deck (not sure how fast the F8F is at sea level), but it still has to get position on the F8F to kill it... and I don't think that'll be easy).

 http://www.history.navy.mil/download/history/part06.pdf

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2000, 01:36:00 PM »
hehehe sorry about the wrong "cat" I misunderstood.

10,000ft in 94 seconds? It would be interesting to see under what conditions it was done under. I would guess on fumes (very low fuel load), stripped down weight, and 150 octane fuel. Just a guess tho  

If I remember once before when I did a little F8F vs F2G research, I think they came out very similarly, with the F2G being a little faster, and the F8F having a better turn rate. An unknown that concerned me (if I had to fly it in the arena) was how good is the Bearcats high speed handling? We know the Corsair airframe is very good in that regard.

When I get a little free time, I want to do a F7F, F8F, F4U-4, F2G discussion like I did above.  I think it would be very interesting.

Unfortunately right now, all my free time is going to "Afrika Corps"


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