Wasserfall anti buff rocket

[Nemisis]

I agree Lushe, but if they were not official then I doubt we will see them in this game. And besides if you give them those rockets and they are good enough pilots, then you will have created an uber-pwnr and we will all be doomed, stay tuned for the seven day forcast .
But I belive that somewhere along the line we hijacked this topic, we had better get it back to the wasserfall. Ok, you guys have told me that they were never used in combat, other than that, I got zilch. Please tell me how you think it would affect game play so I can see if I shoud time travle back and get them in action just long enough to make it into the game.

[Lusche]

I agree Lushe, but if they were not official then I doubt we will see them in this game.

The R4M? Was fully official... hence the official designation /R1.

[Nemisis]

Oh sorry, I guess I missed that. But I still don't think we shoud give those nuts the R4M's. But still do you think the wasserfall would throw off the game play or make people stop flying or what?

[Motherland]

Yeah, it's not like we don't already have Ruestsatz kits in game. All of the racks and whatnot we have on German fighters have some kind of designation.

[Nemisis]

So I have 2 questions: 1 is how much explosives did those R4M's pack in lbs's or kg's, none of that tons or a lot, or enough. Question 2 is do you think if we got the wasserfall in the game do you think it shoud be able to hit bombers, anything with bomber in it like fighter/bomber/ bomber/attacker, anything that was used to bomb bomb not like fighter bomb, or what?

[choppit]

So I have 2 questions: 1 is how much explosives did those R4M's pack in lbs's or kg's, none of that tons or a lot, or enough.

For the R4Ms, IIRC, the charge's total weight was in the area of 500 grams, roughly 1 pound if I converted it correctly. The whole rocket though apparently only weighed about 4 Kilograms with the warhead attached.

[phatzo]

For the R4Ms, IIRC, the charge's total weight was in the area of 500 grams, roughly 1 pound if I converted it correctly. The whole rocket though apparently only weighed about 4 Kilograms with the warhead attached.

2.2 lb to the kilo (kg) every good dealer knows that one

[Larry]

We already have the best anti buff rockets ever. 



http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/110rocket.zip

[LLogann]

You can say that again!!! 

We already have the best anti buff rockets ever. 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/110rocket.zip

Lusche...... I'm still looking, sorry bruder.

[Nemisis]

Sounds like a fairly small rocket or am I grossly over estimating the warhead size of most rockets? Would that be enough to destroy AA or a truck or anything above an oskar, I mean what are we talking about in terms of killing power here? And so not entirely sure about this Larry, are you talking about the rockets mounted on the 110? If so I think you been smokin the good stuff. Man I need some of that; just had to put my dog down . Well any way, if you want to keep flying up there only to have me blow the crap out of your target with my wasserfall before you even fire.

[Motherland]

It's a small rocket, 24 were carried on the 262 and they were all fired off in a shotgun like blast. It's only 4cm wide (that's a centimeter ruler in the picture I posted).
By comparison, the current anti-buff rocket we have in game is 21cm wide. I think US air-to-ground rockets we have are 5 inch rockets (15-ish cm?).
We have a variation of the R4M in game, the PB1 (Panzer Blitz 1) rocket in game is based on the R4M with a shape charge warhead for penetrating armor.
So, yeah they're comparatively small. They packed a punch, though.

[Nemisis]

Nice, so how much armor can they penetrat? Would they be good for blowing up an oscar or a jeep, or could you kill a halftrack, or a wirble, or maby even one of those light tanks in the game? And one more question, you say they shoot out like a shotgun, would that look like something like the rockets from the P47's in the Black Barron mission in CoD 3? Or maby the rockets from the P38's in the 'The Desert Fox' mission in CoD 2 Big Red One?  And motherland if you got those rockets, I wouldn't fly unless I had fighter escort and 999000 onboard gunning for me.
And guys I know you all like talking about these R4M rockets but I started this to talk about the wasserfall. I just want to know what you think, not why we cant have it. If you guys help me out here they we can come right back to the R4M's.

[Kazaa]

La7 had A2A rockets right?

+ 1 for more rockets.

[Motherland]

It's pointless to talk about the Wasserfall because it was never used in combat so we will never know how effective it would have been.

As far as the shotgun effect goes, I don't play CoD so I can't compare. IIRC the rockets spread to about the wingspan of a bomber at 600 meters and have similar ballistics to the MK 108 30mm cannon. These numbers may have been completely fabricated by my mind however.
The R4M is not an armor piercing rocket. It's only a HE rocket made for taking down bombers. The PB1 is an armor piercing rocket with a shape charge warhead, however. It can destroy any tank in the game if you can manage to hit with it (you can't just get close like a bomb, you have to actually hit the tank). The PB1's are only available on the Fw 190F.

La7 had A2A rockets right?

+ 1 for more rockets.

I think EW Soviet aircraft had air-to-air rockets (the RS32? ), but they were deemed not worth the weight and drag and removed.

[Nemisis]

Very well motherland. So what do you mean when you say you can't just get close, does it do no area damage, not enough damage, is it because it is a shape charge it doesn't do any damage to anything it dosen't hit? And if it can take out any tank in the game then how come I don't see more people shooting at tanks with those things. Ok, so I don't remember where but I heard that the 4,000lb bomb carried by the lank and the almost 4,000lb bomb carried by the stuka can destroy a tiger but even with them if you get even around 50ft away then you will only damage them, if that is true then It would make more sense for all tank hunters to be flying Fw 190F, wouldn't it?