Author Topic: HTC and Co: Ta152 and Doras 9-13 (Read 2989 times)

leonid · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2000, 08:02:00 AM »

I know it's tempting to think about faster and faster aircraft, but what would really make this game stand out is field capture by ground vehicles (ie, tanks, flakpanzers, and troops in personnel carriers). Do this and you have a game no one else has done in the online community.

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SnakeEyes · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2000, 08:43:00 AM »

Why late aircraft and not early?

1) This is a business. Only a handful of airplane enthusiasts have probably heard of the P-36, I-16, and Brewster Buffalo. In contrast, even though they never flew in combat during WW2, many of the planes I mentioned are legendary aircraft. Rule #1... attract customers.

2) Learn from their WB experience. Even with the Rolling PlaneSet, people gravitate to the the "capable" aircraft, not the mediocre aircraft or the dregs. Granted, that doesn't mean that only "good" aircraft should be the only ones modeled. But right now I'd say that HTC doesn't need to be wasting effort on developing aircraft that won't be used (a la Warbirds - G4M, Ki43, Ju87D/G, SBD, TBF, etc.).

3) Product differentiation - Why do what everone else is doing? WW2Online is looking at the Western ETO early war (Battle of France and the Low Countries) with P-36s and all that, and WB already has early war 109s, Spits, and Hurricanes. Several (most) of the late war fantasy birds have never been modeled (precisely as a result of this narrow-minded "it had to see combat" BS).

PS - Thanks Wells!!

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Scot · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2000, 01:47:00 PM »

It's nice the way this thread really took off ":-)", but I'm still looking for an answer from the crew. Granted there were limited numbers of Ta152s, and Dora 9-13s, but they were flown during the last months of the war and in combat (agreed though in limited production). There were Ta152 and Dora Aces ( sorry I don't have my sources with me ). I'm quit sure you cannot say the same concerning the N1K, C.205, the 4X20mm F4U.

It would be interesting to know the criteria HTC crew is going to use for selecting aircraft to model.

<< Crosses fingers X !>>

Horrido!
Scot

dolomite · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2000, 02:27:00 PM »

I wouldn't be so sure about the ace thing on N1K2J, C205V, or F4U-1C. Someone will pop some history on ya here.

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2000, 04:02:00 PM »

There was exactly one recorded Ta152 ace. I'll look up his name...

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SnakeEyes · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2000, 06:35:00 PM »

Oberfeldwebel Josef Keil of JG301.

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mauser · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2000, 12:28:00 AM »

That's right SnakeEyes, it was Josef Keil.. he even got the first 'stang for the Ta-152h. I would also love to see the Dora in the planeset, and the Ta-152h-1 would be super! But I'm not going to hold my breath for it seeing as how these things normally go. I'd feel funny the day it comes out when everyone else who's heard of the 152 gives it a try and then we get all the "152 dweeb" stuff flying around. For me, I'm satisfied with the A8 for now. I fly it about 95% of the time, the other 5% being the 109g10, and I've begun to learn that as long as I don't do something really stupid I can live long enuf to get a couple kills each sortie. But a Dora would be really appreciated

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I agree with leonid's point about the ground vehicles. I think that would put AH into a whole new level. Remember back in the Falcon3.0 days, when SH had the "Virtual Battlefield" idea thrown around? They got as far as two other flight sims I think and that's it. So if HTC is reading, you get my vote for some ground vehicles.. I can wait a little longer for another Fw/Ta

Besides, I think the LW will have to wait our turn again since we just got the cornucopia of 109's.. the other countries need some more planes too. Let's wait and see what happens..

mauser

Hristo · « **Reply #37 on:** February 01, 2000, 01:06:00 AM »

What would the consequences of adding 262 be ? Many would try it, but it is no plane for furball types (predominant in the arena). Not even a good E fighter (great E loss in turns, poor E income). Not even a good BnZ plane, to easy to dodge. Not even for spray and pray shooters, to short range. Not for climbing, fuel multiplier would limit that. Not even for vulching, if you overlook a Spit that just took off, he will climb to you and kill you.

In short, it wouldn't hurt dogfights all that much.

But as a buff hunter, well...

Also, incredibly good for annoying purposes and dragging multiple enemies away from their targets.

It served in significant numbers, was introduced in 1944, it made many kills, many were shot down also.

OTOH, Meteor or P-80 were not there. They are in He-162 and Do-335 class, as far as I am concerned. Close, but not in combat. Even ME 163 would deserve to get modeled before, judging by operational record.

Ta-152 ? It would have similar effect as cannon Hog, IMO. But damn, the plane really has such a charisma for LW types, it deserves to get modeled for that single reason.

[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 02-01-2000).]

juzz · « **Reply #38 on:** February 01, 2000, 04:11:00 AM »

Yes, but the F4U-1C isn't 35-90mph faster than the current planes in AH.

Hristo · « **Reply #39 on:** February 01, 2000, 04:37:00 AM »

And it doesn't have to be, with all that effective killing range

leonid · « **Reply #40 on:** February 01, 2000, 06:28:00 AM »

funked,
Sorry for the long silence. The La-9 was never put into serial production, and I believe only 16 were built in 1946. The next Lavochkin to come out after the La-7 in big numbers was the La-11 in 1948. Over 1800 were built, some seeing service in the Korean war.

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MANDOBLE · « **Reply #41 on:** February 01, 2000, 08:18:00 AM »

Here you can find good reviews of 190A/D and Ta 152 series.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/

Hope you enjoy it...

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2000, 08:48:00 AM »

The biggest reason why I would fly the 262 is survivability. No one can touch a carefully flown 262. A pair of 262s can dominate a furball. They're so fast that no one can catch them, and with the 4x 30mm cannons, one ping is enough to disable any fighter. With 262s above the furball, the enemies have to keep a close eye on them.

But like you said Hristo, the 262 isn't the best fighter for a dogfight. If you stick in the fight for too long, you'll find yourself low on E pretty fast. You really have to know how to fly it to be effective. Not to mention the need to choose your takeoff and landing airbases carefully!!

But as a buff interceptor, the 262 simply rules! Can you say 24x R4M rockets?

There was some discussion of arranging massive bombing raid missions... 60 bombers... 10x 262's could wreak some havoc amongst them.

Camo

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Hristo · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2000, 09:25:00 AM »

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Originally posted by LLv34_Camouflage:

There was some discussion of arranging massive bombing raid missions... 60 bombers... 10x 262's could wreak some havoc amongst them.

Camo, I'd like to do it ! Give me a call, so we show those Corsairs how to shoot down a buff

Still, we will wait for the 262, I believe. It has a priority of a Go 229, it seems

Pongo · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2000, 10:40:00 AM »

Pongo carefully snips
Hristo
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OTOH, Meteor or P-80 were not there. They are in He-162 and Do-335 class, as far as I am concerned. Close, but not in combat. Even ME 163 would deserve to get modeled before, judging by operational record.
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I believe the Meteor was in combat in WW2 just not against the 262.
I agree totaly with your description of the 262s effect in AH. I would think that the increased coordination of the buffs guns combined with the short range of the 108s might cause a high loss rate on intercepting 262s....

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