Tempest

[MachFly]

Just because it's about 0.3 seconds slower in 150-200 acceleration than the best accelrating fighter in game, it doesnt mean the Tempest is sluggish. And above 200, the tempest accelerates faster than the XIV.

You need the most acceleration under 200, at least that's where I need it. And .3 seconds can make a difference between life and death.

Also, to think the Temp is not capable of turning gets many pilots killed. The tempest is NOT just a faster Typhoon.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=temp&p2=spit14

thous charts are not specific enough they do not show you how much fuel you have on bored to turn like that or at what altitude and speed your turning so they do not help. But even if you want to trust thous charts they show that it can not out turn a spit 14. Just think about it the typhoon's airframe was just not meant to be a turn fighter.





however i do have a lot of respect for that airplane

[Lusche]

You need the most acceleration under 200, at least that's where I need it. And .3 seconds can make a difference between life and death.

Uh, no. A 0.4 seconds "advantage" is almost negigible.To illustrate this: Both planes  starting at 150mph. By the time the Spit 14 reaches 200mph, it has put about 15ft  between itself and the Tempest... which is accelerating faster from this point on.

Fact is, the Tempest is about as fast as you can get, not only in top speed but also particulary in acceleration.
To say it has slow acceleration is like saying the 110G suffers from weak firepower

thous charts are not specific enough they do not show you how much fuel you have on bored to turn like that or at what altitude and speed your turning so they do not help.

500ft alt, 25% fuel, no fuel burn.

And yes, they do help.

But even if you want to trust thous charts they show that it can not out turn a spit 14.

That's not what they show. They do show that both planes are so close in turning performance, that it all comes down to pilot skill and initial setup. 509 to 518 feet at full flaps is basicaly no difference.

Just think about it the typhoon's airframe was just not meant to be a turn fighter.  Just think about it the typhoon's airframe was just not meant to be a turn fighter.

Yes, and it's not a turn fighter in AH. Nor is the Spit 14 by the way. But then again, the saying a plane that's able to outturn about half of the Ah fighter planeset "can't turn" is quite wrong.

Someone who's new to this would have a rather flawed perception of the Tempest when going by your statement.

however i do have a lot of respect for that airplane

So do I

[Larry]

Gotta love when someone who has little to no clue about a plane comes here and tries to tell others how good/bad it is. 

[MachFly]

Gotta love when someone who has little to no clue about a plane comes here and tries to tell others how good/bad it is. 

Perhaps you want to prove us how good of a dogfighter the tempest is.....


By the way Larry, how did that world war 2 F-86 request go?

i tink it wood b kool 2 hav cuz id lokes so perdy and loke da germens used it n ww2!!!

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got to love it when someone is asking for airplane that did not even exist in world war 2 

[MachFly]

Uh, no. A 0.4 seconds "advantage" is almost negigible.To illustrate this: Both planes  starting at 150mph. By the time the Spit 14 reaches 200mph, it has put about 15ft  between itself and the Tempest... which is accelerating faster from this point on.

When your in a stall fight spitfire would do a much better job at keeping energy, thous 15ft (as you say) can give it the much needed room to maneuver. Plus the spitfire's airframe is the best at conserving energy, especially when going though a turn. Also how would the torque tempest perform in a stall fight? not very good.

500ft alt, 25% fuel, no fuel burn.

And yes, they do help.

that is the worst altitude for a spitfire 14 to fight at, if your fighting one and he is on your 6 your goal should always be to make him drop to 500ft because it is extremely bad at that altitude.

509 to 518 feet at full flaps is basicaly no difference.

Did you think about what type of flaps they both have? Spit14 can take out it's full flaps with 1 notch at 170mph, in a Temp you have to go though 5 notches of flaps and you lower all of them at 160mph.

Yes, and it's not a turn fighter in AH. Nor is the Spit 14 by the way.

Spitfire's airframe was designed to make it a turn fighter, the reason it does not turn as good as earlier spits is because it has a much heavier (and more powerful) Griffon engine.


The following graph shows that Spitfire can easily out climb the tempest:


And this graph shows that Tempest is far not the fastest at 10K and above 20K







Just a little story: a few days ago I got away from a Tempest on spit8 with a half wing missing, how did I do it, I just climbed he could not keep up. Guess his speed did not help him get the poor wounded spitfire VIII  

[Lusche]

You can't be serious...

You made very flat and very wrong wrong statements about the Tempest, and now you are trying to turn it into a "Tempest vs Spit 14" argument?

You said it's slow accelerating, can't turn, is good only for BnZ at most. And all of that is wrong.

The fact that the Spit 14 does minimally accelerate better in a very narrow range of speed, does climb better changes nothing about that.

[MachFly]

These are amazing birds! I've just figured this out and thought I'd share! any comments, observations or advice?

I guess I never really gave you my honest opinion about YOU flying the tempest, so here it is:
if you like it, fly it. Your not paying $15 a month for someone to tell you not to fly what you want.

[MachFly]

and now you are trying to turn it into a "Tempest vs Spit 14" argument?

Your right, i need to stop lol



Need to make a new thread for this.
I don't want to be the cause of this thread getting locked

[Ruah]

its a great plane, but very few pilots want to spend that many perk points on it. . . thats my opinion on it.  Great plane, too highly perked.

[MORAY37]

You need the most acceleration under 200, at least that's where I need it. And .3 seconds can make a difference between life and death.

thous charts are not specific enough they do not show you how much fuel you have on bored to turn like that or at what altitude and speed your turning so they do not help. But even if you want to trust thous charts they show that it can not out turn a spit 14. Just think about it the typhoon's airframe was just not meant to be a turn fighter.





however i do have a lot of respect for that airplane

Mach, seriously?  Turning it into a Spit vs Tempest Debate?

You do realize the Tempest has the cards, even against your vaunted Dweeb 14.  

Simply stated, a Tempest at any co-alt, SEMI Co-E state with your -14 controls his own fate. He can disengage at the first sign of trouble and you're not going to do squat diddly about it. Should you get a turn angle on him, a simple drop of the nose and reverse for the reset brings it back to stalemate.  Even should you drop in from 7K above the Tempest, his acceleration and dive profile exceeds yours.  Therefore, he, not you, controls the engagement length.  This is never an overstated point.  At no flight regime do you have the ability to break off the fight in your dweebfire....the Tempest is faster than you and dives better.  Yes you have a better climber, at a paltry 500 feet per minute at any altitude that matters (10-15K)  You put your nose up, you're giving those Hispanos a shot, if stated fight started Co-E.

Should you take the chance and dive with the Tempy, he's bringing you down into his best performance area, and your worst.

 You don't have superior escape potential, and you do not control the length of the engagement.

If someone is in a plane that has superior escape potential, he controls how long the engagement lasts, and mostly on what terms it will be fought.  

The Tempest is simply the best prop fighter in the game.  It's Kill to Death ratio is unparalleled, because a pilot can control the engagement on his terms, whether BnZ or TnB.

[SectorNine50]

By the way Larry, how did that world war 2 F-86 request go?
got to love it when someone is asking for airplane that did not even exist in world war 2 

You can't seriously have not have picked up on the sarcasm in his post...

You have a bad habit of not sticking to the issue.

That said, Typhoons and Tempests have always annoyed me, personally.  However, this is due to me always being underneath them...

[MachFly]

Mach, seriously?  Turning it into a Spit vs Tempest Debate?

Try reading a few post up

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Need to make a new thread for this.
I don't want to be the cause of this thread getting locked

[Lusche]

its a great plane, but very few pilots want to spend that many perk points on it. . . thats my opinion on it.  Great plane, too highly perked.

There are quite a lot of players spending their perks on it:



#2 in kills, despite having a "high" price tag.
And I don't think it's too high when considering speed, acceleration, ranage and firepower (Temp's Hispanos have 25% higher ROF than the F4U-C's).

[MachFly]

There are quite a lot of players spending their perks on it:

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#2 in kills, despite having a "high" price tag.
And I don't think it's too high when considering speed, acceleration, ranage and firepower (Temp's Hispanos have 25% higher ROF than the F4U-C's).

I bet the #s of people flying the temp will increase by a lot when they remodel it

[Lusche]

I bet the #s of people flying the temp will increase by a lot when they remodel it

Depends on what happens during that remodeling.

The La-7 got a wonderful new cockpit and numbers flying caved in...