Tempest

[MachFly]

The La-7 got a wonderful new cockpit and numbers flying caved in... 

I think they reduced their performance....not sure though

[SectorNine50]

I think they reduced their performance....not sure though

Hitech has said many times that nothing was dramatically changed, something that had to do with the flaps.  For some reason after any plane is re-modeled everyone says that they changed it and now they hate it.  The F6F for example performs the exact same, but the rear view was worsened (more accurately iirc) and then there were many people who said that it flew differently.

I think a person's mind gets used to a cockpit and when that changes the "feeling" of the a/c changes.

[Ruah]

And I don't think it's too high when considering speed, acceleration, ranage and firepower (Temp's Hispanos have 25% higher ROF than the F4U-C's).

I agree, I should have said "I would not fly it because of the high perk points. . .but thats because I would be too afraid to lose it and I am still a newer pilot that needs to figure a lot of things out (including getting TrackIR).

[BnZs]

its a great plane, but very few pilots want to spend that many perk points on it. . . thats my opinion on it.  Great plane, too highly perked.

I agree. Too highly perked for what you get, takes the "fun" out of flying it by encouraging too much of a no-risk style. And encourages everything that *can* HO you to do so. Tempest and 262 both deserve a lower perk price in that regard.

[Larry]

Perhaps you want to prove us how good of a dogfighter the tempest is.....


By the way Larry, how did that world war 2 F-86 request go?
got to love it when someone is asking for airplane that did not even exist in world war 2 

God I love when jokes fly over someones head, turn back around, and hits them right in the face. You are eather very very slow or just down right dumb.

I don't have to prove anything. Stats show that the temp is very good, and Iv flown it enough to know that those stats are right.

[Masherbrum]

Hitech has said many times that nothing was dramatically changed, something that had to do with the flaps.  For some reason after any plane is re-modeled everyone says that they changed it and now they hate it.  The F6F for example performs the exact same, but the rear view was worsened (more accurately iirc) and then there were many people who said that it flew differently.

I think a person's mind gets used to a cockpit and when that changes the "feeling" of the a/c changes.

La7 is just fine.    If you use flaps in an La7, you need to go back to the TA.   The La7 with the right fuel load, is the BEST plane to up from a vulched field and watch 200 light up.

[Becinhu]

Why would most fighters run from a fight with a Tempest at high alt? Many kinds should have something of an advantage over it up there.

Actually took my temp into a low furball next to an enemy cv.  I wasn't BnZing but turnfighting in it.  Had 4 pelts and several assists when a 5 incher popped me.

And yes alot of planes out perform the temp up high above 15k. However, when you bust through a gaggle of cherrypickers hovering above a furball what is their reaction to a fast plane with 4 hizookas coming through their perch? They nose over and dive. Thus removing them from their perches and eliminating their alt/speed/safety advantage.

[Becinhu]

La7 is just fine.    If you use flaps in an La7, you need to go back to the TA.   The La7 with the right fuel load, is the BEST plane to up from a vulched field and watch 200 light up.

Did that last night. Knights had a NOE to a55 with around 25 planes (51s, 38s, lancs, 110s). I upped my lgay, hit WEP at wheels up.  Flew past the fighters, through the lanc stream and killed the goon flying with the lancs.  Got popped by a 110 just after, but the exploding goon was worth it (2nd goon died moments later and busted raid).

[Widewing]

I upped my lgay, hit WEP at wheels up. 

Some advice.... Always use WEP on takeoff. Whether in WEP or normal takeoff power, the engine warms up at nearly the same rate (2 or 3 seconds difference). Thus, there is no reason not to use WEP on the takeoff run. Especially when attempting to get up to meet an incoming raid. You have 10 minutes of WEP in the La-7, don't be afraid to use it.



My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

I think they reduced their performance....not sure though

Not at all.....




My regards,

Widewing

[moot]

The F6F for example performs the exact same, but the rear view was worsened (more accurately iirc) and

And the oil leak graphic is an abomination 

[Widewing]

When your in a stall fight spitfire would do a much better job at keeping energy, thous 15ft (as you say) can give it the much needed room to maneuver. Plus the spitfire's airframe is the best at conserving energy, especially when going though a turn. Also how would the torque tempest perform in a stall fight? not very good.

that is the worst altitude for a spitfire 14 to fight at, if your fighting one and he is on your 6 your goal should always be to make him drop to 500ft because it is extremely bad at that altitude.

Did you think about what type of flaps they both have? Spit14 can take out it's full flaps with 1 notch at 170mph, in a Temp you have to go though 5 notches of flaps and you lower all of them at 160mph.

Spitfire's airframe was designed to make it a turn fighter, the reason it does not turn as good as earlier spits is because it has a much heavier (and more powerful) Griffon engine.


The following graph shows that Spitfire can easily out climb the tempest:
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And this graph shows that Tempest is far not the fastest at 10K and above 20K
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Just a little story: a few days ago I got away from a Tempest on spit8 with a half wing missing, how did I do it, I just climbed he could not keep up. Guess his speed did not help him get the poor wounded spitfire VIII  

Tell ya what Machfly, you talk like you know what you are talking about. Let's see if we can define what you really know. You take a Spit XIV and I'll take a Tempest. Standard dueling rules....  We had (and they still have) a saying in Naval Air... "No balls, no air medals".


My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

And the oil leak graphic is an abomination 

Agreed... Oil will not flow forward over the cowling ring. It will mostly leak out through the cowl flaps, and a lesser degree, weep out between the cowling panels and drain out the underside. It's the leakage out of the cowl flaps that covers the windscreen.

How do I know this? 2,000+ hours of pushing R-2800s and R-1820s through the air.......


My regards,

Widewing

[Motherland]

At least it actually appears on the fuselage now though, instead of only starting at the cockpit.

[Masherbrum]

Agreed... Oil will not flow forward over the cowling ring. It will mostly leak out through the cowl flaps, and a lesser degree, weep out between the cowling panels and drain out the underside. It's the leakage out of the cowl flaps that covers the windscreen.

How do I know this? 2,000+ hours of pushing R-2800s and R-1820s through the air.......


My regards,

Widewing

It is posts like this, that I enjoy.   First hand experience.